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Spirited Away's Lifetime Box Office Collection
| Europe | $19,305,000 | ¥2,450,875,000 |
|---|---|---|
| Country | Gross in $ | Gross in ¥ |
| Austria | $275,000 | ¥34,375,000 |
| Belgium | $270,000 | ¥33,750,000 |
| Czech Republic | $75,000 | ¥9,375,000 |
| Denmark | $610,000 | ¥76,250,000 |
| Finland | $325,000 | ¥40,625,000 |
| France | $8,000,000 | ¥1,024,000,000 |
| Germany | $2,750,000 | ¥357,500,000 |
| Greece | $400,000 | ¥50,000,000 |
| Hungary | $50,000 | ¥6,250,000 |
| Italy | $1,375,000 | ¥171,875,000 |
| Netherlands | $160,000 | ¥20,000,000 |
| Norway | $325,000 | ¥40,625,000 |
| Poland | $230,000 | ¥28,750,000 |
| Spain | $1,150,000 | ¥143,750,000 |
| Sweden | $515,000 | ¥64,375,000 |
| Switzerland | $625,000 | ¥78,125,000 |
| Turkey | $70,000 | ¥8,750,000 |
| United Kingdom | $1,600,000 | ¥200,000,000 |
| Rest of Europe | $500,000 | ¥62,500,000 |
| Asia | $357,000,000 | ¥42,364,000,000 |
| Country | Gross in $ | Gross in ¥ |
| China | $70,500,000 | ¥7,614,000,000 |
| Hong Kong | $3,750,000 | ¥495,000,000 |
| Japan | $261,750,000 | ¥31,700,000,000 |
| South Korea | $13,000,000 | ¥1,534,000,000 |
| Taiwan | $3,000,000 | ¥396,000,000 |
| Rest of Asia | $5,000,000 | ¥625,000,000 |
| America | $18,675,000 | ¥2,144,100,000 |
| Country | Gross in $ | Gross in ¥ |
| North America | $15,000,000 | ¥1,710,000,000 |
| Mexico | $925,000 | ¥103,600,000 |
| Argentina | $250,000 | ¥30,500,000 |
| Rest of Latin America | $2,500,000 | ¥300,000,000 |
| Oceania | $600,000 | ¥72,000,000 |
| Country | Gross in $ | Gross in ¥ |
| Austraila | $400,000 | ¥48,000,000 |
| New Zealand | $200,000 | ¥24,000,000 |
| Total Worldwide Gross | $395,580,000 | ¥47,030,975,000 |
This is the lifetime box office collection as per the prominent editor of Crunchyroll, Daryl Hardling. This discussion is useless if the IP address doesn't revert its edits till the discussion is closed. The point to note here is that article has many sources from this editor supporting the edits. If any user edits before discussion is closed will be blocked. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 4:57 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- As explained in Spirited Away's Talk, the figures for Spirited Away's box office total in Crunchyroll's articles are what it calls "upper estimates." The CR editor acknowledged that the spreadsheet above includes unsourced, unverified, and unconfirmed numbers.
- https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228294871195651
- 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- He said that it is difficult to know gross if you donot know native language.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:05 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- The CR editor also said that the spreadsheet above includes unverified and unconfirmed numbers without sources. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- He said that it is difficult to know gross if you donot know native language.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:05 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- What is this see and answer me now https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228612849770503 Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:25 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, this is where the CR editor acknowledges, "Hence why I say 'upper estimates' rather than confirmed numbers." Wikipedia does not resolve incomplete verified information by adding unverified information. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you mad? Can't you see this
- What is this see and answer me now https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228612849770503 Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:25 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
"Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data, and have trouble tracking international re-releases or films that fall of the "top 10" in the regions. US releases they're usually on point with though." Box office Mojo and The Number missed out many sources. You can see the example of Demon Slayer movie where correct gross hasn't been updated.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:32 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Again, Wikipedia does not deal with incomplete verified information by adding unverified information. Crunchyroll specifically describes its Spirited Away box office numbers as "upper estimates" and acknowledges that its figures includes unverified, unconfirmed numbers. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- "Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data", See this statement carefully, it says missing lots of data ,meaning not confirmed and unverified box office collection from this two sources.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:58 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, these two sources are missing data for various countries. However, that missing data does justify adding unconfirmed and unverified data to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for unverifiable material. WP:WIAE 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:18, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Missing data meaning to say that gross is incomplete. If gross is incomplete then the film will loss position insignficantly. Making the film looks unsuccessful in box office you can see the gross of the film Demon Slayer Mugen Train, which hasn't updated with sources and is reliable to reader to know that the gross of the film has overtook 400 USD million but Box Office Mojo and The Number reporting 337 USD million, meaning to say that the film hasn't perform well in box office. So the reliable one is Crunchyroll. Thank you. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 6:18 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- "Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data", See this statement carefully, it says missing lots of data ,meaning not confirmed and unverified box office collection from this two sources.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:58 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a complete repository of information, nor can it be or should be. WP:NOTEVERYTHING If verifiabe information is missing, we have to accept it.
- By the way, The Numbers is not reporting 337 USD million, and Crunchyroll is not reporting 400 USD million. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, It has reported only $323 million. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kimetsu-no-Yaiba-Mugen-Ressha-Hen-(2020-Japan)#tab=summary Crunchyroll has updated it in twitter.
- By the way, The Numbers is not reporting 337 USD million, and Crunchyroll is not reporting 400 USD million. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
You can check it there directly. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 6:32 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- The verifiable numbers are available for Demon Slayer, but the numbers for Spirited Away in the spreadsheet above are not verifiable. That's the issue here. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Is it fair to say we have consensus on these points? See also Talk:Demon_Slayer:_Kimetsu_no_Yaiba_the_Movie:_Mugen_Train
- 1) The spreadsheet above, as is, does not meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability or sourcing for Spirited Away's box office numbers.
- 2) For now, Wikipedia should use the figures from The Numbers or Box Office Mojo for Spirited Away's box office.
- 27.143.41.6 (talk) 11:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Here whats Comicbook mention "Spirited Away is currently capped at nearly $396 million worldwide which is certainly impressive."Here is the link of this statement. [1] Even if it has use the source of ANN. Currently, I have been trying to reach extact gross while studying I found that the gross of the film Spirited Away was $355 million then increased to $358 million and then increased to $383 million while Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train was about to overtook the film in term of worldwide box office collection by the mysterious site coming from no where i.e The Number as per the link says. [2] I have some tweets with a Box Office Analyst which supports my statement of $396 million worldwide gross. You can see my tweets for your references.[3] He has clearly explained your doubt regarding terms like "ROA", "ROE". However a point to note that domestic box office collection is not mentioned clearly in the site The Number. But what Box Office Mojo reports that the lifetime gross of Spirited Away is only $355 million.[4] All together it was concluded that money exchange rate is different in various site which has lead to box office fluculations. So the summary is that there is no actual record on lifetime box office collection on the film. I have tried to contact the production studio regarding its gross. But there wasn't any response from there side. In the end we need to take estimates as per jatvision's tweet because this is not a Hollywood movie nor produced by Disney. Further, today he felt offended regarding his personal research. But he says "if you want to know numbers personally, you know it now. simple." Another important is that Spirited Away grossed 30.8B in Japan in 2002 which was $253M back then, while today it will be $300M. So, chart is quite disturbing. Further the box office Analyst also says "past number for developing and smaller markets are impossible to get unless you can get them from every individual distributor which released the film. even producers won't know them because they sold the films to distributors." [5] Also the studio itself hasn't officially announced its lifetime gross for Spirited Away. As far what concerned the most is the system of exchange of currency. Sadly, the distributor also has no obligation to report any box office numbers. Conclusion: Till the system of exchange is know the gross will be limited by $395.6 million. If within the next seven days the data is not confirmed, then we will switch back to the data of Box Office Mojo. Thanking you for your patiences. He also says "past number for developing and smaller markets are impossible to get unless you can get them from every individual distributor which released the film. even producers won't know them because they sold the films to distributors. All the tweets are available. You can see them for your references. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 11:56 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
If there is objection, I would asked the administerator to revert all the edits of the IP address regarding the worldwide box office collection of Spirited Away in its entire lifetime run. Support for my statement are as follows
- Crunchyroll article stating its final gross to $395.6 million.[6]
- Comicbook article stating its final gross to around $396 million.[7]
- Box Office Analyst's tweet.[8]
- Statistics of a Spreadsheet docs.[9]
- Stats that prove that the out-dated site basically the Numbers and Prominent site namely the Box Office Mojo as wrong.[10]
- Problem of money exchange.[11]
Ichika Kasuga (talk) 12:53 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- I found it hard to fill sources. Anyway, below is what I collected just now. Here, rerelease data are separated, with the conversion of currency into US$ or JPY given at the latest date. If verified weekly or daily data are available, cumulative summation of converted values can be obtained, but I will not try this time .
- Still more than US$20 million below the Crunchyroll data.
- In case of Europe, almost all the figures except for UK are from MOJO or NUMBERS, whereas I cannot find revenues in Belgium, Denmark, Hungary, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland. On the other hand, admission data for several European countries including above countries are summarized in the following URL. So I suspect that the figures presented by the Crunchyroll article are estimated ones based on admission data. Anyway, this makes plus US$6 million.
http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/film_info/?id=18921
- In case of Japan, total gross of 30.2 billion yen was found in an article published by the Asahi newspaper on Nov 17, 2002, while 30.4 billion yen appeared by Nov 23, 2002 at the Motion Picture Producers Association of Japan website (probably updated on Nov 22, 2002). Then suddenly on Sep 5, 2016, Ghibli announced that the total gross was 30.8 billion yen, which was also the date when a pdf file containing final gross revenue for Spirited Away was updated from 30.4 to 30.8 billion yen on the Motion Picture Producers Association of Japan. Later in 2020, rerun of Spirited Away was performed, where the total gross was 0.88 billion yen according to an announcement by TOHO on Dec 15, 2020. Here, date of conversion of currency makes big differences.
- For other East Asian countries, most of the final revenues are available independently. In case of USA/Canada, MOJO data are probably more accurate. There are some problems for the figures in Australia and New Zealand in both MOJO and The NUMBERS (counts are apparently wrong for the latter), but probably the Crunchroll figures are rather overestimated for Oceanian case.
- So my conclusion is, the gross revenues can vary drastically by the method to convert local currencies into US$ or JPY, but I don't agree to use the Crunchyroll figures, for sources on the final total gross revenues for many countries are not shown (even if estimated ones based on the admission data are allowed to be used). At the same time, I cannot accept the figures at US$7.5 million for rest of Asia, Latin Americas.Orichalcum (talk) 06:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent breakdown with sources! I appreciate how you broke down some countries' multiple runs by year, to convert currencies more precisely. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 16:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- After study the data of the user Orichalcum, matter looks partially solved.
Partly done:
But not easy to say that The Number are correct. Since the IP user has problem saying that the gross should be updated to $383 million. So, the Number gross cannot be selected because the IP user hasn't proved his claim in details as per me and Orichalcum. Therefore, $383 million is not the gross for the film.
and that's final.
My statements are already backed by 6 sources. Just waiting for a opinion for a confirmation. Since Box Office Mojo data is well sourced so I do not mind if the gross is $376.5 million. Thank you. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 17:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Demon Slayer: Mugen Train Is Now the Highest-Grossing Anime Film Globally". Anime. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (2001) - Financial Information". The Numbers. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Jatvision Tweets". Twitter. 24 February 2021. Retrieved 24 February 2021.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) - ^ "Spirited Away". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Jatvision remark on box office".
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) - ^ Harding, Daryl. "Demon Slayer: Mugen Train Overtakes Your Name to Become 2nd Highest-Grossing Anime Film of All Time Worldwide". Crunchyroll. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Demon Slayer: Mugen Train Is Now the Highest-Grossing Anime Film Globally". Anime. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "https://mejat32". Twitter. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Spirited Away'sLifetime Box Office Collection". docs.google.com. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Out dated site the Numbers". Twitter. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- ^ "Exchange Problem". Twitter. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
- If we're going to go digging for all possible sources of box office income for Spirited Away, an argument could be made that we should do so for other films on the list as well, especially those close to it in the rankings. Wikipedia users can reasonably expect that the tables here are a reasonably accurate representation of the comparative performance of multiple films, and for most of those others we use figures from Box Office Mojo or The Numbers. It strikes me as disingenuous to go to such effort to boost the number for one film while settling for those numbers for other films on the chart. Certainly, we want to use the most accurate numbers that are available from reliable sources, but we also the numbers to be comparable and equitable across multiple films on the list. --mwalimu59 (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- mwalimu59, What according to you is the correct gross ? Based on the above statement いちか かすが (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am withholding judgment on what the correct gross should be. My point is that for the sake of consistency, whatever you do for one film you should do for others. It could be considered a violation of WP:NPOV to go to great lengths to bolster the figure for one favored film while disregarding that a similar effort for other films might bolster their figures as well. Are you willing to apply your methodology to other films on the list? --mwalimu59 (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I do agree with you. But at this moment, the gross of Spirited Away and Your Name is highly disturbing. And It is needed to be solved as soon as possible such that we can conveniently check the gross of other film. Thank you for your patience. いちか かすが (talk) 05:41, 26 February 2021 (UTC)