Talk:List of fictional gynoids

New article split from Gynoid

See Talk:Gynoid for details. Robotman1974 07:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Anime/manga

Manga instances of gynoids would be appopriate under literature. As we know, many animes mentioned do have manga instances, but I assume that in all cases we will give them presidence? Even in cases where the manga precedes the anime? In which case manga would only be listed if there were no accompanying anime, just as Ping Chan from MegaTokyo. Tyciol 04:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

For the 'in animation' section

Can Dot Matrix really be considered a gynoid or cyborg? If so, why aren't Hexadecimal, Daemon, AndrAIa, Mouse, or any of the other female characters from ReBoot mentioned? I personally don't think any of them are gynoids, given that the characters are simply computer data or programs as far as the series is concerned, not physical cybe

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rnetic organisms or robots of any variety. Trisar 03:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge

Merge to gynoid, or to list of androids?? I don't see the point of an uncited list of non-notable characters.

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How is this not the deifnition of fancruft? Also, as these are already in the List of Androids, how is this not a content fork?Yob Mod 15:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Gynoid V Female Android

I would argue that just because an android is female doesnt make it a gynoid at that isn't a meaningful term if not used within the media from which we name them as gynoid is a usesless term anyways and to say someone is a gynoid is OR if not sourced--209.181.16.93 (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Star Trek Borg

I see the Borg from Star Trek are not included in the list, and think they should be. At least notable ones (Seven of Nine) and the Borg queen should be.

I disagree. The Borg from Star Trek are humans with human minds, with cybernetic implants. They're not robots or androids at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HungryGuy (talk • contribs) 18:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

And yet the Bionic Woman is on this list of female cyborgs, being herself a human with cybernetic implants. Plus isn't the word "Fictional" a little redundant since every female robot/cyborg/alien race is, by definition, fictional? Why don't we just call this "List of All Machines With Secondary Female Characteristics," since anything and everything can put here provided some fanboy can say "oh, that looks vaguely female, it must be a fembot." Chalchiuhtlatonal (talk) 14:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

The article title says "female robots and cyborgs" so it is perfectly correct to include Sommers and the Borg females because they are both described on screen as being cyborgs. As to the question of "fictional" being redundant, it might well be but it's a necessary piece of shorthand since there are actual real-life robots and gynoids being developed (maybe not to the same degree of sophistication, mark you, but check out reports from robotics and science shows in Japan and some "gynoids" have already reached celebrity status, with one even featuring in the finale scene of Battlestar Galactica. 68.146.70.124 (talk) 13:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

The title has since changed to be gynoids only so the cyborgs are being removed from this list. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

For "in film"

I belive that EVE from the film WALL-E should be included in this categorey. So I have added it in.

90% of the references are from IMBD

I thought we weren't using plot summaries from IMBD as references since, like Wikipedia, anyone can go on it and write any fool idea that comes into their head, sort of like this list. Is it fair to remove them? Chalchiuhtlatonal (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, please remove IMDb citations. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:00, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

US/international TV

It makes no sense to split them up and I believe there's a Wikipedia policy forbidding "American-centric" formatting, so I added the Doctor Who and Japanese entries to the main list. 68.146.70.124 (talk) 13:45, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Dot Matrix from Reboot

Dot Matrix was neither an android nor a cyborg, so I removed her from the list (technically, if we included her we'd have to list every female character in the series, from Mouse to Hexidecimal, as they're all the same as Dot). 68.146.70.124 (talk) 13:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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List of fictional female robots and cyborgs → List of fictional fembots – The title is currently overwrought and does not correspond to the parent article, fembot. There is no article about female cyborgs in particular, or any indication that is notable, so the latter half of the title is unnecessary and can be covered by List of fictional cyborgs, a more general list. It makes sense to split up robots and cyborgs anyway, as they are totally different in terms of their fictional importance and usage._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose fembot is still fanspeak, hasn't yet been taken up in standard English. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @In ictu oculi:Umm... am I missing something? The article is literally called fembot, as I said. While I would be fine with List of fictional gynoids if that was the accepted term, there seems to be no proof that "fembot" is WP:NEO outside of your personal opinion, as the article does reference the term in reliable sources._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:27, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I think my personal opinion as a non-fan about what non-fans call female robots is a more reliable reader of what non-fans call female robots than a fan, specialist :) ... but be that no proof so here is proof: book results for "female robot" bear this out when compared to book results for "fembot". Although numbers are about equal it's clear that objective dispassionate non-fan sources are more likely to use "female robot", while "fembot" is found more in fan literature. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi:The problem being that "female robot" is too overly broad to describe the topic, and "female android" would be the correct description (the counterpart to android (robot), not robot), which seems to be lesser used than "fembot" or "gynoid". The article makes it clear that it has to be humanoid, which excludes things like Amazon Alexa, or, I don't know, let's say they decided to make a Roomba with a female voice, it wouldn't be covered. Ultimately since both terms are not incredibly widely used, it makes sense the earlier term would win out._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:55, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose I think 'fembot' is specific to certain fictional-universes, the existing broader term covers all. MfortyoneA (talk) 22:55, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @MfortyoneA: There's no reason for the article to "cover all", as it would then be WP:LISTCRUFT. There doesn't appear to be any encyclopedic significance to female robots that aren't gynoids, as they don't have their own article. Second, there's no proof to your claim that "fembot" is a specific term to certain fictional universes, and the article itself contradicts that._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

the list also contains cyborgs e.g. pearl prophet in Cyborg (film), which are distinct from androids; you'd first need to divide this list if you wanted to narrow the meaning to fembots/androids/female robots. It also contains replicants from blade runner; whilst the book was clearly andoids, it was a little ambiguous - the film might have depicted something more like synthetic biology (the dialog mentions genetic designers, virus/mutations for fixes) MfortyoneA (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll try to find citations but I think it is a stylised/slang term, but it's not 'universal', http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fembot. I'd only heard it used in one specific instance (which turns out to be a parody of another); it reminds me of other universes with their own specific slang for cyborgs/robots etc ('toasters' in BSG, 'skin-jobs', 'dummies', etc.), rather than a precise (speculative) technical term. If you must reduce it to a single word, perhaps gynoid is better? MfortyoneA (talk) 07:14, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

@MfortyoneA: As I said, the list is already divided (cyborgs should really be in List of fictional cyborgs, there's no encyclopedic reason for them to be here). I would not be opposed to List of fictional gynoids for this one, but only contingent on the article fembot also being moved to gynoid (as if your point holds up to scrutiny, it should not be able to be argued against). So if you wish to argue that maybe start a move request there, as I think the list article should match the parent article in title._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:43, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

there is a gynoid article, how about list of fictional gynoids and also list of fictional fembots both redirecting here. I don't have any opinions on the article split itself. I suppose you could even keep this article as is, and have those redirects to sections of this article, to throw another idea in there (perhaps a halfway house) MfortyoneA (talk) 09:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

There isn't a gynoid article, it's a redirect to fembot, per the move consensus on that article. Granted, it wasn't a very heavily debated or researched move, but I would oppose this article being renamed to gynoid prior to conensus on that one. In the meantime it can be renamed to 'fembot' while consensus is gathered on whether it's the correct name. Either way, I think culling it would be uncontroversial (its more of a culling/merging than a split). It feels like that is just creating a controversy out of someone's incorrect naming choice._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 09:18, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

ok gynoid also has other meanings Gynoid fat distribution,so that's also a bad name. I still maintain that fembot itself is an in-universe or slang term (even if 2 universes use it, it's not used in all). It seems it was used in some 60s/70s TV shows, and then in Austin Powers as a spoof of that era. they don't call cylons 'fembots' in BSG, etc etc. I can't suggest a better name for this article, but conversely i don't think renaming the list is warranted; however I did make a redirect list of fictional fembots, which should help people find it MfortyoneA (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Android fat distribution is also a thing, and that doesn't make androids suddenly an unsuitable name for a robot. Ultimately I think List of fictional gynoids and moving fembot back to gynoid would be a good compromise, since that term is commonly used and generally regarded as not "slang". "Gynoid" redirects to "fembot" anyway, so it's not like it's changing anything. It could have a hatnote._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 15:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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List of fictional female robots and cyborgs → List of fictional gynoids – Now that nobody has contested the idea that gynoid should be located at that name, this list should be moved to match the title of its parent article. The "and cyborgs" part is not necessary, as the idea of a female cyborg is non-notable as compared to a male cyborg, and there is no article specifically about it. Those should be deleted, as they are not reliably sourced anyway. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support nomination and past discussions cover it all: this is the clear concept in fiction that the list is concerned with. —innotata 20:42, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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Gynoids or robot-like alien races?

Need your opinions on whether these alien races or characters should or should not be considered androids/gynoids:

DISPUTED: Cylons in the newer Battlestar Galactica series - more of an alien race rather than pure android

• Cylons are an android species. Notable Cylon females include:
  • Number Three alias "D'Anna Biers"
  • Number Six alias "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina Inviere", "Natalie", "Lida", or "Sonja"
  • Number Eight alias "Sharon Valerii"
  • Tory Foster
  • Ellen TighAdded back to the article with source that discusses them as gynoids

DISPUTED: Cybermen - alien race rather than pure android

• • It has also featured a number of females who have been turned into Cybermen such as Yvonne Hartman in the Doctor Who episode "Doomsday" (2006), Jackie Tyler and Sally Phelan in the Doctor Who episode "The Age of Steel" (2006) and Lisa Hallett in the Torchwood episode "Cyberwoman" (2006)

DISPUTED Although she acts like an Artificial Intelligence and inhabits a body, the series takes place in the afterlife so all bets are off whether any of these characters are still considered human or android

• Janet, a celestial angelic guide from The Good Place (2016–present) GQ article says her character is not a robot:

DISPUTED Transformers characters - Are protoform/Transformers characters that take a human form considered androids?

• Sari Sumdac from Transformers Animated
• Transformers, such as Nightbird, Arcee, Elita One and Thunderblast (1984–1987)

DISPUTED The World of Narue, alien characters who can transform into spaceships / space mecha and also transform into humans. Bathyscaphe, Haruna, Rin Asakura, Rei Otonashi, and Ran Tendo. Not clear if they were created as androids to begin with.

DISPUTED Neeya, from Humanoid Woman (aka Cherez ternii k zvyozdam) (1981) - fictional humanoid clones that can be controlled. It doesn't mean they were mechanically designed.

References

Any thoughts? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:59, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Zxcvbnm for help in scrubbing the list. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:04, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• The Cybermen appear to be cyborgs much like the Borg. Therefore I would not call any female cybermen gynoids. If Neeya's origins are unclear, then it should not be included either. A clone could also use DNA from another organism.

Everything else does seem like they would qualify, although perhaps they should be sorted into different sections depending on whether they were mechanical or some kind of homunculus or biorobot (e.g. a designed organic life form). It gets into somewhat unclear territory when we are talking about beings like the new Cylons who are basically just humans 2.0. In this case, I believe that if two androids have a baby, then that baby is no longer an android but an organic being._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. What about the Transformers? I think they're more of a mechanized alien race rather than androids/gynoids. They don't really assume human form just that giant robot kind of look with a human-like face. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:27, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I am not convinced the Transformers mimic the human form enough to call them androids. They are really more like giant robots._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:23, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

This article may be good for putting the Cylons entry back as it suits the gynoid theme. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

References

I've gone ahead and added BSG cylons back to the article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Alita: Battle Angel

This list specifically excludes cyborgs, and Alita is a cyborg with a biological human brain ... not a robot ... correct?

Why does this article exists

Yes, Alita is a cyborg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.239.180 (talk) 11:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

"Eva" of Alex Garel's movie with Daniel Bruhl

Although not famous, this movie is well considered by the sci-fi lovers. "Eva" narrates of an adolescent robot (totally mechanic). --87.11.93.114 (talk) 12:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Does Rozen Maiden dream of electric Kun-kun?

Is it accurate to add to and keep in the list entities of explicitly non scientific/tech (mystical/magical) source? 109.161.112.193 (talk) 11:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)