Talk:List of fantasy anime/Archive 1

Archive 1

Shameful

This was the single most shameful anime page on Wikipedia by far. What the HELL were these doing on the list?!:

Noir Neon Genesis Evangelion La Blue Girl Speed Grapher Silent Mobius

These and other idiotic additions I removed.24.239.162.116 00:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Great Teacher Onizuka

Is Great Teacher Onizuka fantasy anime? It seems to me mostly realistic, with very little in the way of fantasy elements. Giles Martin (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Having read some of the manga, I can say definitely not (unless the anime diverges wildly from the manga). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 20:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Fantasy Definition

There seems to be alot of issues on this page depending on how you interpret "fantasy" Looking at it from a purly magical perspective ALOT of anime here isn't magic related or in a fantasy setting I suggest we set up a clearly defined difinition at the top of the page then stick to it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.164.214 (talk) 07:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this page is in dire need of cleanup, starting from a solid definition of what exactly "fantasy" means here (more than likely, it'll be according to the infobox genre in articles - if it's not tagged fantasy there, it shouldn't be here, but it definitely needs a discussion). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 21:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Given this is part of a series of fantasy articles/lists (which, curiously, omits fantasy manga), WikiProject Science Fiction needs to be added to the list's scope. What with the definition in Fantasy being the operative one here. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

One of my criteria is to have some Mythopoeia (genre) vibrations. It's not a mandatory one to be a Fantasy anime. --KrebMarkt 15:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

We can pretty much define any magical girl work as fantasy (though not necessarily works with magical girlfriends, as some of those are aliens, robots, time travelers, Haruhi Suzumiya, et cet.). —Quasirandom (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why not just go for the definition found in the lead of the article Fantasy? Magic and other supernatural forms as primary element of plot, theme and/or setting. Sven Lotz (talk) 09:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That's a possibility, yeah. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Further issues

In addition to the issues identified in the PROD, there's also a couple of series, such as Fushigi Yūgi Genbu Kaiden, that are manga only, and not anime. That said, I'm not entirely certain that scrapping the list is the best option, and that clean-up (including adding missing series from Category:Fantasy anime and manga) is impossible. (And PROD2 is certainly wrong in claiming it's a directory.) Is this list really that badly damaged by mismaintenance? —Quasirandom (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason not to broaden this list's scope to include manga; there certainly doesn't seem to be any reason to purposely omit manga-only series. Aside from that, though, there seem to be a few IP editors who come through every now and then and purposely add series that have nothing to do with fantasy (and one who seems to enjoy adding United States live-action series). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

So it sounds like what's needed, really, is ... well, not ownership, as that's verboten on Wikipedia, but commitment from a couple conservators to maintain the list. Or a commitment from the relevant wikiprojects to patrol it. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning up this list is actually on my to-do list (after which I would watch it much more closely), but I have no idea how I'd actually go about it - for starters, though, I would start a discussion on WT:ANIME to see what the project wants out of the list. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd take part in that discussion. In any case, though, given we're debating how to clean it up, it seems clear that a PROD deletion is too controversial. I'd like to deprod it, take it to the project to get a discussion started with the participation of WikiProject Science Fiction, and if with more input it's decided to wash our hands instead, take it to AfD with that recommendation. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

TBD

Things to Be Done, as I see it:

• Weed out false entries.
• Fill in missing entries from Category:Fantasy anime and manga and its subcategories.
• Decide whether it's possible to distinguish between fantasy and supernatural genres and, if not, include the latter category's entries as well.
• Expand the lead to include a definition of what we mean by "fantasy" in this list.
• Expand the lead to summary of incorporate scholarly discussions of the uses of fantasy in anime. Google Books will be helpful here, as would comments in anime/manga guides. And scholarly comments about fantasy in Japan in general.
• Sourcing the entries to prove by publisher claim (for something like this, a first-party source is acceptable as indicative of intension) or third-party evaluation that each work is, yes, fantasy.

Also on the table, whether to expand the topic subject to include manga. Anything else? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

For starter we should focus on a minimal common denominator for that list & the lead. --KrebMarkt 14:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

After some thought, I'm beginning to wonder whether a list of titles is desirable at all? Perhaps we should recast this as an encyclopedic article on the use of fantasy elements in anime (manga *should* be included IMO, but I suppose it would be better to specifically discuss broadening the scope to include it)... 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

It is certainly worth discussion -- leaving the categories as See also for additional examples. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)