Talk:List of empires

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the List of empires article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 12 months

This page is not a forum for general discussion about List of empires. Any such comments may be removed or refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about List of empires at the Reference desk.

This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Indexes

This alphabetical index of Wikipedia articles falls within the scope of the WikiProject Indexes. This is a collaborative effort to create, maintain, and improve alphabetical indexes on Wikipedia.IndexesWikipedia:WikiProject IndexesTemplate:WikiProject IndexesIndexes articles

Countries

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Countries, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of countries on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CountriesWikipedia:WikiProject CountriesTemplate:WikiProject Countriescountry articles

WikiProject Countries to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Check out the article alerts; see if anything catches your fancy.
Cleanup : clean-up listing for Countries
Stubs : de-stub articles in Category:Stubs by region.
Other : add {{WPCountries}} to talk pages of related articles, and assess.

Former countries

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former countries, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of defunct states and territories (and their subdivisions). If you would like to participate, please join the project.Former countriesWikipedia:WikiProject Former countriesTemplate:WikiProject Former countriesformer country articles

Geography Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Geography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of geography on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GeographyWikipedia:WikiProject GeographyTemplate:WikiProject Geographygeography articles

Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Geography To-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : See Requested articles/Social sciences/Geography, cities, regions and named places and Missing articles about Locations
Assess : Tag related article talk pages with {{WikiProject Geography}}. To help assess the quality and importance of geography articles, please see: Unassessed geography articles and Unknown-importance geography articles.
Cleanup : See Geography articles needing attention
Deletion sorting : Listed at Geographic related deletion discussions
Geographical coordinates : See Articles missing geocoordinate data by country
Infobox : See Geography articles needing infoboxes
Map : See Wikipedia requested maps
Notability : See Geography articles with topics of unclear notability
Photo : See Wikipedia requested photographs of places
Stubs : See Geography stubs

Lists Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

French Empire?

Unless it's on there under a different name and I'm missing it, the modern French empire isn't on there (only ancient and medieval ones), that's major, should be addressed.

s just us Americans thinking we are better than every one else when we aint id rather live in Europe than here its a dump. Only historical and true empires should be listed not ones we wish existed.

Need Lydian Empire

Adding little flags

Adding little flags to Possible and informal empires.

Sumer and Rome

I noticed that the duration for Sumer also includes the period of time when it was basically a culture and collection of city states, not an Empire by any stretch. With Rome, its time is omitted from its early Kingdom and Republic days. This seems like a bit of a double standard does it not? The first 1500 years of Sumer's existence does not fall within what we would consider an empire. As well, should the Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire not be merged into one submission for the list? I understand historians gave them a different name, however, the people still considered themselves Roman as they were, it very much is a continuation, not a different entity.

Spanish Empire start date?

wouldn’t 1415 be the start of The Spanish Empire because of the Conquest of the Canary Íslands? Snipercobra (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish Empire start date?

Wouldn’t the start of The Spanish Empire be 1415 with the Conquest of the Canary Íslands ? Snipercobra (talk) 01:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The generally understood beginning of the Spanish Empire as we know it is with the creation of their colonial empire and the beginning of their conquests of the New World. Cardandiris (talk) 15:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

add: Additionally, in 1415 the two crowns of Aragon and Castille were not yet in Union; and the majority of modern Spain was still divided into a small multitude of kingdoms. The Canary islands were conquered by Castille as its own body. Until the beginning of the personal union between the monarchs of Castille and Aragon in the late 1470's and therefore Spains de-facto unification one cannot consider actions prior to that marking a beginning of their Empire. Cardandiris (talk) 15:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply 136.33.235.64 (talk) 00:20, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marhasi

I am legitimately curious, why is Marhasi considered an empire? Just following the Akkadian-based timeline of empires, I was caught off-guard when I saw a polity that existed prior to the Sargonic example of Empire listed as an Empire. Cardandiris (talk) 15:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone help me?

I added The Tui Manu’a and í could not find any info on when it started. 136.33.235.64 (talk) 00:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congo free state?

How is The Congo Free State an Empire by any means? 136.33.235.64 (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

US Empire start date?

Í wouldn’t say that 1776 would be the start of the us as an Empire. Even after full independence, it was a loose confederation and barley centralized. Í would say the start would be around 1787 and 1790, where it was becoming more centralized and with the conquest of Appalachia. 136.33.235.64 (talk) 01:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of Empire

I'm assuming the empires listed here have to be... Well, empires, right? Some entries seem to stretch the definition a bit; Cultures like the Goths and Lombards, the entirety of the Maya and Phoenician civilizations under single banners, etc. Some trimming might be needed for some of the entries, or at least splitting them into individual nations rather than the entire cultural groupings Sharklord1954 (talk) 07:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is an empire?

Please can a consensus be made on what an empire is, like a dozen people before me I implore some consensus to be made. Legendarycool (talk) 10:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think inclusion on this list should rest on "do reliable sources say X was an empire" if yes it's on the list if no not. An empire is a term that's generally applied to things on a case by case basis and not based on a set of criteria, I feel like coming up with criteria for what an empire is would verge on OR. DervotNum4 (talk) 22:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that coming up with our own criteria would be OR. However, at this point this page does not even match up with the "empires" template because people remove certain states if they do not explicitly have empire in the name despite academic consensus. Perhaps if they are not an empire in name (ex: Inca empire, British empire, etc.) and their main article does not refer to them as an empire somewhere (ex: Abbasid Caliphate, Qing dynasty, both of which was actually removed) they must be added only with citations. digiulio8 talk contribs 17:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would work. DervotNum4 (talk) 18:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list doesn't make any sense

Apparently puppet states with the word empire or an organization like the Hospitaller Knights are considered empires meanwhile Chinese dynasties that were very much empires are not included? This is why wikipedia is so unreliable, the editors' subjective biases affect the information shown. Like what are the islamic caliphates if not empires? but somehow the Empire of Vietnam is in the list. Please make it make sense 120.29.87.120 (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I think about it, maybe this wikipedia page should be removed entirely. 120.29.87.120 (talk) 14:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Every entry should be supported by a citation saying that it's an empire. Binksternet (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Umayyad Caliphate's wikipedia page literally says empire as its status not to mention the Chinese dynasties have all the requirements of being an empire but are not listed here. Are you trying to suggest the wikipedia pages of those actual empires be edited first to include the word "empire"? Your rule doesn't make any sense. 120.29.87.120 (talk) 03:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]