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List of psychoactive drinks

I created Draft:List of psychoactive drinks @MrOllie: --94.255.152.53 (talk) 15:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:POVFORK. You should not attempt to create a new article when your edits have been rejected, they have all the same problems at the new title. MrOllie (talk) 15:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrOllie: Thank you very much. Have a nice weekend. --94.255.152.53 (talk) 15:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrOllie: You can add a speedy deletion template to the draft if you want, I don't know which one that I should use. --94.255.152.53 (talk) 15:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MrOllie — Belbury — Lemonaka — Willondon: Hello guys!

Belbury's revision

Non-alcoholic

List of traditional non-alcoholic drinks

Plant-based

Soft drinks

Alcoholic drinks

Caffeine-containing drinks

Other psychoactive drinks

I see a few issues with the revised article:

Terminology: "Non-alcoholic" doesn't capture the full picture. Some non-alcoholic drinks can contain psychoactive ingredients. Ideally, the category should be "Non-psychoactive drinks" for clarity. Additionally, alcohol itself is a drug, and categorizing it separately from other psychoactive substances is inconsistent with a scientific approach. The established term "alcohol and other drugs" (AOD) better reflects this.
Lack of focus on non-psychoactive options: Because many people abstain from any kind of psychoactive substances, including those found in tea (caffeine), a clear categorization system is essential. The current structure doesn't make it easy to quickly identify non-psychoactive drink options.
Legality: The term "illegal drinks" used for psychoactive drinks is inaccurate. Many such substances are legal depending on the location. For instance, cannabis is gaining legal traction in various parts of the world, and some drinks are made with it.
Structure: Removing the "Psychoactive" main category creates redundancy with three separate psychoactive subcategories within the list.

My old revision addresses these concerns::

Non-psychoactive

Traditional non-psychoactive drinks

Plant-based drinks

Soft drinks

Psychoactive

Alcoholic drinks

Caffeine-containing drinks

Other psychoactive drinks

Polysubstance drinks

This structure clarifies the terminology and avoids implying illegality for all psychoactive substances. It also maintains a clear organization with a top-level "Psychoactive" category.

To ensure consistency across related Wikipedia pages, I recommend applying this structure to the main article on Drinks Drinks as well. This would prevent future confusion about section names in Drinks. For example, entries currently under Drink#Hot_drinks could be divided into new separate Drinks#Non-psychoactive and Drinks#Psychoactive sections.

--94.255.152.53 (talk) 03:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're on board with my suggestion, but considering the possibility of future contributor renaming the sections (for example "Non-psychoactive" to "Non-alcoholic" again), approving the draft for Draft:List of psychoactive drinks (Belbury's revision) might be a more flexible approach. --94.255.152.53 (talk) 04:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the alcoholic/non-alcoholic split makes much more sense for top level headings, for an article about a non-technical, cultural subject. A reader looking through either article to learn about tea shouldn't have to know in advance whether or not it's considered psychoactive. Belbury (talk) 07:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Regardless of the section structure, don't you think Drinks should be consistent with List of drinks? --94.255.152.53 (talk) 07:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily, no. One is prose and the other a list, each should be structured in whatever makes most sense for those contexts.

The list should probably go back to listing alcoholic drinks before non-alcoholic because it's odd to present a negative before a positive, but it may make more sense for the prose article because the first drink discussed - water - is the oldest. Belbury (talk) 07:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]