Talk:List of diving facilities

Disputed

As far of now, not a single "10 meter diving platform" has its own article, meaning that this list is in fact a list of non-notable subjects. The Banner talk 11:03, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Rubbish.--doncram 21:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Then show me the articles about those diving platforms. The Banner talk 22:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Great, The Banner has restored negative tags. Okay, then please tell me what is disputed. There is no statement in the article that any specific diving platform is Wikipedia-notable. I'll watch here, and will return and remove the "disputed" tag if nothing in the article is identified as being disputed. If what you want to dispute is the existence of the article, then that is what AFDs are for, and I presume you participated in the recently-closed AFD. If you dispute the closure, go ahead, take it to the proper forum for review of an AFD closure, i think that is Wikipedia:Deletion review.

About the referencing, I don't believe there is a single item in the article that is factually disputed, so I don't see what reference improvement is required, and I will expect to remove that negative tag, also. --doncram 22:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Do you have any real arguments? Do you really completely ignore the other remove votes on the AfD? Not everything american is automatically notable. The Banner talk 22:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

And you still do not know what is disputed? The fact that there is not a single link to a 10 meter diving platform. Swimming centres, diving towers, but nothing speciffically about 10 meter diving platforms. The Banner talk 22:50, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, actually, perhaps the list could/should be retitled to something like List of facilities with 10-meter diving platforms. The list of items in the first column is a list of facility names. Perhaps we should have a wp:RM to discuss different title options.

But otherwise, right, there is no statement in the article that is disputed. It is not stated in the article that there is a "link to a 10 meter diving platform". The sources that I have added or checked (not all of them) support the fact that there is a 10-meter diving platform at the given facility.

By the way, the How to design a world-class diving venue article (which appears to be a commercial, blog-like article) comments that 10-meter diving platforms are required for (NCAA?) competition, except that a 5-meter or other height platform can be used if agreed upon by both schools.

About this being US-centric, yes I suppose it is. I did not start it. It would be appropriate to make a world-wide list, with this being considered a section of it, linked by a {{main}} link. I have developed a number of world-wide lists with U.S. sections broken out, like for churches of various denominations. I suppose there are not very many 10-meter platforms worldwide, meaning the total would be in the hundreds, which is quite doable as a list. --doncram 23:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

And again: I dispute the whole article as it does not has the proper content regarding what is promised in the title. You can jump high or low, but the list is not about "10 meter diving platforms" nor about diving towers. It is a list of swimming centres. The Banner talk 11:02, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

The existing title works for conveying that it is a list of the relatively few places where 10 meter diving practice and competitions can be done in the United States, and the consensus of the AFD was that the topic is okay. It seems to me that much of your objection is really about your perception that the content does not match the title. Do you have any suggestion for a better title? --doncram 17:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea to move the page to a more general List of facilities with 10-meter diving platforms. It should be an international topic.A Bad Deli Ivy (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

"For example: here is an example of an actual 10 meter platform. For another example here is an attempt for Jessica Parratto to have a wikipedia link to her name. "For another example, the 2016 Olympic tryouts included Jessica Parratto, who could only dive from spring-boards in New Hampshire, but who moved to Indiana for access to diving platform facilities and trained there for seven years before the 2016 Olympic tryouts.[2]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djsquintz (talk • contribs) 06:46, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Isn't this list missing a few entries??

I invite anyone to double-check this but I believe these are all currently available at some time of the season or another (and I could have somewhat misunderstood the premise, but evidence for all of these is online as far as I know):

Pool name	Location	Affiliation
Central Unified Aquatics Complex	Fresno, CA	Central USD
Frank Fiscalini International Swim Center	San Jose, CA	Independence HS
George F. Haines International Swim Center	Santa Clara, CA	City of Santa Clara
Southwest Complex and Pool	Largo, FL	City of Largo
MDC Kendall Campus Aquatic Center	Miami, FL	Miami Dade College
North Palm Beach Pool	N. Palm Beach, FL	City of N. Palm Beach	But this page on North County Aquatic Complex states there are 1m and 3m diving boards, not 10m. Is this where North Palm Beach Swim Club is? --Doncram (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
G. W. Henderson Sr. Aquatic Center	Tunica, MS	City of Tunica
Rec-Plex Natatorium	St. Peters, MO	St. Peters Rec-Plex
Maplewood Community Pool	Maplewood, NJ	City of Maplewood
Corwin M. Nixon Aquatic Center	Oxford, OH	Miami University
Linvilla Orchards Pool	Media, PA	Linvilla Orchards
Settlers Cabin Park Pool	Pittsburgh, PA	Allegheny County
McCoy Natatorium (outdoor)	State College, PA	Penn State University
Palo Alto Natatorium	San Antonio, TX	Palo Alto College
Cottonwood Heights Pool	Cottonwood Heights, UT	City of Cottonwood Heights
Oquirrh Park Pool	Kearns, UT	Kearns Oquirrh Park Fitness Center

Jlawton11 (talk) 01:00, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for identifying those! You are welcome to add them to the list-article. I just added a row for the first one, although "Clovis West Aquatics Center" seems to be the name of it as far as I can tell, when searching online, at least as an informal name. Can you provide a link to "Central Unified Aquatics Complex" being used as the formal name? --doncram 16:06, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

There's a Facebook page by that name but I dunno, that might not even be the same pool with the specified apparatus! I wasn't really intent on being responsible for figuring all that out, since particularly for a lot of facilities (particularly government-owned) you may very reasonably have one name for the park it's located in, a second for the aquatic facility, a third for the park or school district that it's part of, a fourth for how it's known to the club you would join to access or help manage it - and on top of that every year or two one or the other will change, it's maddening! (Maybe I was thrown off by the conspicuous use of the word "Central", the exact identity of which is which remains confusing to me too.) Outside of the three of these I've actually attended I can't do much to "clear up" any of this confusion although the majority of them can be found on swimmersguide.com. Jlawton11 (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

At least a few ones listed above do not have 10m platforms. Per https://swimmersguide.com/Stats/NumberOfStats, SwimmersGuide covers 25,666 pools in 208 countries. I think very few have 10m platforms. --Doncram (talk) 06:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Location info and drop flag icons

I want to combine the City and State columns and drop the state flag icons. There is a prohibition or at least a general disdain for use of spurious use of flag icons in list-articles. Here is nothing really important about the states involved; this is not a list of state-owned facilities competing against each other. I would replace the columns by a single "Location" column and begin to add coordinates, too. --doncram 16:06, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 5 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved to List of 10-meter diving platforms in the United States  — Amakuru (talk) 10:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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List of sportcentres with 10 meter diving platforms in the United States → List of 10 meter diving platforms in the United States – Move in order to drop the term "Sportcentre" which is not a U.S. term. And, the list focuses on diving platforms, it is not attempting to describe the entire aquatic facilities. Editor User:The Banner moved this page to the current title without discussion, which was okay to do, but I think the original name was better. I do get their point that the rows of the table give names of facilities, not names of individual diving platforms. I don't know of any having a formal name or nicknames which could be used, but a column simply repeating "10 meter platform" phrase could be inserted, to be replaced by a nickname or formal name if any becomes known. I may or may not do that right now. But again, the article is about diving platforms. doncram 19:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support per WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISION; the current title is apparently more precise than... enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article. However we approach this, it is expected that the "list of platforms" article will list the venues and facilities containing them. Just, please, per its lead make that List of 10-meter diving platforms in the United States, with a hyphen; it's a compound adjective requiring one (and somewhat confusing without it). No such user (talk) 10:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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collegiate diving

Universities and colleges which field mens or womens diving teams are the places having 10m diving platforms, but these are not that common, I think. There is a "Collegexpress.com" list of schools strong in women's swimming and/or diving, and a corresponding men's list.

NCAA sets standards for championship participation for Division I schools: Qualifying Standards for all swimming events and also 1m, 3m, and platform diving, requiring 300 points for men and 225 points for women. But do all Division I schools compete? Do any Division III or other schools compete? --Doncram (talk) 04:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

And this is update with numbers for M & F 1m spring 3m spring and PL, for A/B/C.

This video on "2013 Kristian Ipsen - Stanford University - Platform Diving - NCAA Diving Championships" found in searching "platform diving Stanford University" covers Kristian Ipsen's 7-meter platform dive, then going up to 10-meter. At Indianapolis. At Indiana University Natatorium, which has hosted _hundreds_ of championships. "Kristian has always been a springboard diver and competed at the Olympics on the 3 meter springboard. Learning platform diving in college was new to him." --Doncram (talk) 04:58, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

There are about 52 members of Category:College swimming venues in the United States. For Louisiana, the LSU Natatorium (Baton Rouge, Louisiana) article explicitly mentions "a championship diving well with one- and three-meter springboards and five-, seven- and 10-meter platforms". Maybe "championship diving" is the key phrase to include platform diving? --Doncram (talk) 05:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

NCAA announces future sites for swimming & diving championships in Women's Div 1, Men's Div 1, Div 3, Div 3 mentions the usual ones: including one or more meets at 11 sites:

1. 2021: Greensboro, N.C.; March 17-20
2. 2022: Atlanta; March 16-19
3. 2023: Knoxville *first time host
4. 2024: Athens, Georgia
5. 2025: Federal Way, Washington
6. 2021: Iowa City, Iowa; March 24-27 *potentially will move to Greensboro
7. 2023: Minneapolis
8. 2021: Birmingham; March 8 -13
9. 2023: Indianapolis
10. 2024: Geneva, Ohio
11. 2026: Evansville, Indiana * first time host at Deaconess Aquatic Center (The still under construction Deaconess Aquatic Center in Evansville, Indiana is scheduled to host the 2026 Division II meet as the facility broke ground in late 2019.)

There are 34 NCAA Division II schools with diving programs per "berecruited": Complete List of Division 2 Diving Colleges. Actually that may not require them all to have platforms, including because divers might practice/compete elsewhere in the area, right?

Colorado Mesa University in Grand Junction, Colorado is one of the 34 listed, but has only 1m and 3m boards, no platform mentions.https://www.coloradomesa.edu/rec-center/facilities/natatorium.html.

There are 144 NCAA Division III schools with diving programs: Complete List of Division 3 Diving Colleges, including Wesleyan BTW.

Per berecruited.com, not exactly agreeing:

"There are 565 colleges that have active intercollegiate swimming and diving programs. The sport is huge at the NCAA level, but not so big at the NAIA level where only 23 schools compete." Note, "Some college swim teams focus exclusively on swimming recruiting and choose to not have a diving program at all."

NCAA Division I. 198 schools compete with 135 men's swimming and diving programs and 197 for women. 9.9 scholarships are available for men and 14 for women.

NCAA Division II. 90 colleges offer swimming and diving programs. 66 men's teams and 89 women's teams compete. There are 8.1 scholarships awarded for both men and women.

NCAA Division III. 254 schools at this level have competitive swimming and diving programs. 251 for women, 218 for men. No athletic scholarships are available at D3 institutions but other forms of financial assistant may be available.

NAIA 23 schools compete --Doncram (talk) 05:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Types of dives for springboard and platform diving. Not armstand ones require platform, are performed on 5, 7 [or is it 7.5?], or 10 meter platforms. --Doncram (talk) 05:36, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

How deep does my pool need to be for diving? Doug Cook on March 31, 2016: "Platform diving competition takes place at 10 meters, though 1-, 3-, 5-, and 7.5-meter heights are also typically provided for training and warmups. Occasionally, a ½-meter platform is constructed for divers to practice takeoffs. A facility without a 10-meter platform can host a platform diving event on a 5-meter platform if the teams competing agrees on this height." --Doncram (talk) 05:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)