Talk:List of cars with non-standard door designs

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List?

Is there any benefit in this being a list? Would it not be better to put each car article into a category such as Category:Cars with butterfly doors, then put those categories plus Butterfly door et. al. in Category:Unusual car door designs, a subcategory of Category:Car doors? Bigbluefish (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I love the idea of the list format, especially if it allows links to more expanded coverage elsewhere, as it does. It seems very handy to have one place to go to for general, comparative info. - KitchM (talk) 19:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Descriptions

It would seem to be wise to give a short description of each type of door, so that the reader understands the functional differences and how the particular door actually works in comparison to other types. Even a little history wouldn't hurt. - KitchM (talk) 20:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree! This article really needs this. The pictures help some, but not enough. T-bonham (talk) 20:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of unusual?

This seems like a futile article. Unless there is a universal definition of unusual in the car industry, this article should be deleted. NorthernThunder (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While im not a fan of the word "unusual" in article names, in this case, after reading it carefully, we do have clear criteria. i would suggest the name be changed to "list of cars with nonstandard door designs", but in any case the content is not ambiguous, as there a limited number of car door designs, with only one considered standard. now, in regards to ALMOST ALL OTHER articles with the word "unusual" in the name: off with their heads!Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think Wikipedia needs link to this article (especially Youtube video)

http://jalopnik.com/276295/the-1993-lincoln-mark-viii-rolling-door-concept-car-hides-your-heavy-doors —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.236.92 (talk) 10:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sliding doors

I am removing all vans, minibuses and MPVs from this list as it is a common feature like butterfly doors on Daytona Prototype, which none of these are listed, why, we will have too many of them if they were to be kept, the same reason why racecars of a certain era and class are excluded from the scissor door section. Donnie Park (talk) 18:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bad info

I´m translating this article to spanish, but I found lot of mistakes. For example Koennigsen are named twice: once in "sissors" and "another" kinds, because they´re derivated from the first but actually are "raptors". There are other models write in two sections. And for example, Isuzu XU-1 had gull-wings doors, not butterfly´s. I checked and rechecked. In the beginning I though it was a bad source, but then I search in mags and books dedicated to cars and also find the same. In es:Anexo:Automóviles con diseños de puertas especiales I´m making improvements and addig references, images, text, etc. (I hope to become it in Good, maybe this or next month) Also a lot of models are missing. Thanks. --Andreateletrabajo (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I insist: Sterling Sports Cars can´t be in gull-wings, if is ensamble from Nova, and the Nova's picture appears in "Canopy doors", and obviously it´s a canopy. This list is a mess, and the lack of references don´t help at all. --Andreateletrabajo (talk) 07:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disappearing Doors

Jatech makes an aftermarket door system that allows the door to slide downward and under the car so that it disappears from view.

This brings up an interesting problem. This article calls it a "list of cars", but it would serve better if the name were "list of car doors" or similar. An article is more useful if it is more inclusive and covers more than just production vehicles. Some of the listed models might very well be very limited models any way.

Can we include these other designs here? - KitchM (talk) 20:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Such doors were standard equipment for the BMW Z1. The car could be driven with them left open. The Kaiser Darrin had a similar system with the doors sliding forward into the fender.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Packard

One-Ten was neither the only model with rear suicide doors nor was 1941 the only model year. That depends on the fact that all models (One-Ten, One Twenty, Super Eight One Sixty and Custom Super Eight One Eighty) shared the same basic body, wheelbase differences being absorbed by length of hood and front fenders. Packards had rear hinged rear doors over more or less two decades.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How far will this list go?

If this list has to include all cars with non-standard door designs, there will be literally hundreds of listings. I roughly guess that of the about 4000 makes that were built in the USA before 1942, about 3000 had doors at all, and about 2000 had one or more body styles with rear mounted doors, at least at the rear. And there were some makes in Europe, too... You will hardly find cars built before 1920, open or closed, which have not at least rear suicide doors - and they were used much longer on some makes.

Some examples: Many Bentleys had them, only the special built State Limousine is mentioned. The list includes Bugatti 57 and the 57 Aerolythe prototype, but misses many others, including the Royale Coach Weymann. Included is the Delahaye (full customs like the pictured Chapron cabriolet give further problems) but neither Delage, Hispano-Suiza nor Voisin are mentioned. Packard is mentioned above, other classics like Auburn, Cord, du Pont, Duesenberg, Marmon, Peerless, and many, many others are lacking. Pierce had many more applicable cars than just the Silver Arrow. And until now, we just talked about classics, not about more common makes.

As is, this list is (and only can be) highly selective. I strongly recommand to give it sharper contours, either by re-defining the non-standard door designs (some of them were quite common once) or by selecting a period of time, for example by focussing on cars built after 1945.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I say prune this off to cars sold in 1980, why? because by then, no cars had them. Donnie Park (talk) 21:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Swan Doors

Can we have a discussion on what constitutes a swan door? Generally I think of swan doors as 1) hinged below the a pillar 2) opening upward and outward 3) not tilting outwards. What do you guys define it as? Im looking at cars like the Audi RSQ where it says it has suicide swan doors but they have a ton of tilt to them, is that a swan door or a single hinge butterfly door? Would love to here more thoughts on this. ~~ TKOIII (talk) 23:10, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Borderless butterfly doors will also be hinged on the A-post, below A-pillar. The biggest difference is that they will open above roofline, swan doors above floor. Audi RSQ looks definitely like suicide butterfly doors.YBSOne (talk) 07:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Audi RSQ reverse butterfly doors seems accurate. YBSOne (talk) 08:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]