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Requested move

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Birds of the Faroe Islands → List of birds of the Faroe Islands — To conform to the Naming Conventions. —Zvar 18:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Oppose - the article is not just the list, it is an article on birds with an appended list (though admittedly the list takes up most of the article). There is certainly scope for expanding the article. Maybe one solution, if the length of the list makes the article unbalanced, is to fork the article by moving just the list itself to the proposed new title while leaving the rest of the article in situ. Maias 07:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Naming conventions; the majority of the article is a list, so that's where it belongs. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 21:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was support for move--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (2)

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  • Support, I suppose, to bring it into line with comparable lists - and withdrawal of previous objection. Maias (talk)!~
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Pheasants, grous, and allies

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It is true that willow ptarmigan and rock ptarmigan were tried introduced (several times), but it has consistently failed for both species. They were certainly not extirpated (meaning intended and targeted destruction), they simply died out. It is misleading to only state "Introduced", as most people will think they are still present in the Faroes. A published reference can be found in Søren Sørensen and Jens-Kjeld Jensen "Færøernes fugle: Fakta og Tal [Bird of the Faroe Islands: Facts and numbers]", 2015, ISBN:9789991877068.

With regard to black grouse, it is and always been non-existent in the Faroe Islands (at least in historical times). As a typical forest bird, it would also have difficulties in surviving in a place without forests (except for very small areas of planted trees). I do not know of any sources that indicate that introduction has been attempted. VillusFarus (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@VillusFarus: If they are not reported as present or historical in reliable sources, what you say makes sense to me. I don't see any reason for the above birds to be on the list. There might be a note in the text about introduced species that have since died out. Thanks, welcome to Wikipedia and I hope to see you around. SchreiberBike | ⌨  19:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of Faroese bird names

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Wikipedia style, per MOS:LIFE, generally uses lower case for species common names in the middle of a sentence. The names in Faroese should be appropriately capitalized for that language. I can't find a source on how proper adjectives are capitalized in Faroese. Does anyone watching this page know? Icelandic, which has a lot in common with Faroese does not seem to capitalize proper adjectives from what I've found. Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SchreiberBike - they're capitalised in the official list (including mentions within text sentences). Decapitalising them unilaterally strikes me as original research and should not be done. - MPF (talk) 14:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPF: Respectfully, I disagree based on MOS:LIFE. Regarding style issues such as capitalization, Wikipedia follows Wikipedia's style. Many "official lists" in English also capitalize bird names, but we don't follow those. I do worry that I put some Faroese proper names in lower case and I hope we can fix any of those. SchreiberBike | ⌨  14:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly the problem - you don't, and can't easily, know the etymology of each and every Faroese bird name, as to whether it should or should not be capitalised under these arcane English etymology-derived capitalisation "rules". So we should follow the source reference exactly as it gives, including capitalisation. - MPF (talk) 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia style is to not capitalize species common names except when they incorporate proper nouns. The names in Faroese should be capitalized the same way, except that many languages do not capitalize proper adjectives like English does. As I wrote above, I could not find a reliable source on how Faroese capitalizes proper adjectives. If we left the names all capitalized, there would be hundreds of errors in the list. If we make them all lower case, there may be a few errors. A few seems to be better than many. SchreiberBike | ⌨  15:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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