Talk:List of Yazidi settlements

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NPOV dispute

This map was added by various Wikipedians and it consists non-Yazidi majority cities such as: Arab, Turkmen cities as Mosul and Tal Afar, and other Assyrian cities as well. I think this Wikipedia article is not neutral. Please can anyone do anything for this? I was banned for 24 because I removed this map. Here is a map from the same article. The dark green collor represents Yazidi people. Beshogur (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't find the map mentioned above, but there's a 2015 map here:

. Batternut (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this map is true? Any reliable source mentions this areas? Talafar, Mosul? Beshogur (talk) 11:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't like to say. I have no secret info to back it up. The Yezidis of Mount Sinjar have been in the news a lot the last couple of years, and I found a mention of Khatārah (near Mosul) having been a Yezidi town, I suppose before they fled from ISIS, which I have added to this Article. I'd guess the two centres may well be correct, but the precise boundaries could be anywhere. The author of the map commented that it came from HPŞ - https://www.facebook.com/biji.HPS, which I would assume would have the Protection Force of Sinjar POV. Batternut (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't open the page. Beshogur (talk) 17:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Me neither, but HPŞ == Hêza Parastina Şingal == Protection Force of Sinjar, former name of Êzîdxan Protection Force. Batternut (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a link to Dr Izady's (Columbia University) gulf 2000 map. Batternut (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Izady is ethnic Kurdish, this map is overestimated. Also according this map is my town Kurdish. Since when? Beshogur (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting, about Izady. What's your town though, Beshogur, since you mention it? It would be fun to prove the Izady map wrong. (I, btw, have no Kurdish relations, nor Turkish or any other middle-eastern relations to my knowledge). Batternut (talk) 13:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, according this map, Kurds lives in 40% of Turkey, while their population is max 15 million. Thus, Kurdish population in Anatolia is overestimated. Also he calls Jafari Azerbaijanis and Alevi Turkmens as "Shia Kurds" on the map.

The Kurdish area in Turkmenistan does not exist. There is not a Kurdish native area in Turkmenistan. According 1995 census, there were just 10,000 Kurds in Turkmenistan, and they were exiled Kurds from Nagorno Karabakh region of Azerbaijan. Just 0,1% of Turkmenistani population.^[1]

Kurds in Qalbajar and Lachin (Azerbaijan) was just 20% of the area's population, look at the red/green area. Just 20% of the area according 1940 census. Later, 90-95% of all Kurds along with Meskheti Turks from Georgia and Karachay-Balkars from northern Caucasus were exiled to Central Asia by Stalin due to "working with Nazis". So today there is not a Kurdish-majority (even minority area) in Karabakh, same with Turkish area in southwestern Georgia. See: Meskhetian Turks.

Kurdish areas in Syria looks "OK".

Iraqi Kurdish areas are also overestimated. According his maps is Mosul a Kurdish city, Hawija, a Sunni-Arab majority area is "Yarsanist-Kurdish" majority.

Iran looks also "OK", whie there area few dozens errors. For example: some Talish people is counted as "Kurdish", yes they are related, but not Kurds.

For example if you look at this map, it looks good, but there are dozens of error, for example in Macedonia. As a Turkic-speaker, Turks consist 25% of Macedonia 100 years ago, but now 4-5%, so, it's very very wrong. If you look again at Turkey, there are also dozens of errors. But the rest of Turkic languages looks ok. Beshogur (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if he's not reliable, then that's just one more reason to delete File:Turkmens in North Aleppo.png since it bases majorily on the Izady maps plus showing definitely not Turkmen areas as Turkmen, such as Azaz or Jarabulus.--Ermanarich (talk) 01:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The map is not made by me. Also, I don't claim a non-existing fake area in Syrian Turkmen page. Beshogur (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Итоги всеобщей переписи населения Туркменистана по национальному составу в 1995 году.. asgabat.net (in Russian). asgabat.net. Retrieved 2 December 2012.

Original research

I've raised this at WP:NORN. Doug Weller talk 12:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Batternut and Beshogur: pinging you as you've used this talk page and are still active editors. Doug Weller talk 12:36, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What? I don't understand what's going on. Beshogur (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Beshogur: just click on WP:NORN#Ezidkhan. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Attempts to change the nature of this article

I've realised until this happened again that I hadn't seen the woods for the trees. What had started out as an article about the historical area of the Yazidis, "Ezidkhan (Kurmanji Kurdish: Êzîdxan, IPA: [eːziːdˈxaːn]; Sorani Kurdish: ئێزدیخانە‎) is the historical area of settlement of the Yazidis." ahd become a different article entirely, "Ezidkhan (Kurmanji Kurdish: Êzîdxan, IPA: [eːziːdˈxaːn]; Arabic: ايزيدخان‎) is an unrecognised de facto autonomous area established and controlled by the Protection Force of Ezidkhan in the Iraqi Sinjar region".

Instead, I went to WP:NORN where people agreed that the additions were original research and on January 1st I restored an earlier version. Four hours later an editor editing from a webhost, 213.211.221.53 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) reverted me. That IP address was finally blocked last month. It was obviously someone with an account that had this on their watchlist. I'm not sure who it is, but see this. User:Ravensfire reinstated the earlier version. Then on the 12th of February at 8:06 User:Druckmaschine, an account with only 32 editors, made their last edit since then to reinstate the version (which as I said, is about a different subject). I reverted again to the article about the historical area, and yesterday user:Niele~enwiki reinstated their version about an autonomous area, calling my edits vandalism, which was reverted again today by User:Johnuniq. Note Niele~enwiki reverted to their 6 month old version. But that's not all. At 21:47 on the 12th, the same day as Druckmaschine reinstated the other version Autonomous Region of Ezidkhan, using the same material, was created by a sockpuppet, Gani zanyar (talk · contribs). At the time it wasn't know that they were a sock or it wouldn't have been necessary to create Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autonomous Region of Ezidkhan which ended in a deletion. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ezidishingali/Archive. There's obviously some monkey business here and some links between editors that I hadn't noticed until today and I'll start a new SPI.

And finally, just a note of puzzlement that in the last 6 months no new sources have been found for this alleged autonomous area. But again, that would be for a different article and as there is no new coverage nor any independent coverage in reliable sources, i've removed the bit about the declaration. I support the Yazidis generally and have done so in other articles, but no one should use our articles to push a cause Doug Weller talk 12:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. The version being pushed has entire section devoid of sources, multiple citation needed tags and the sources are generally for relatively minor pieces of information. This article should remain as it is, focused on the history. The attempt at creating a separate article was a good thought, but the AFD showed how utterly lacking in sources that version was. At most, a single line here about the unilateral declaration that's garnered no support might be warranted here. Anything beyond that is against WP:UNDUE and should it continue, either extended confirmed or full protection should be considered here. Ravensfire (talk) 15:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Grave issues with the article

@Jahmalm:, this is a continuation of my edit at Talk:Ezdiki language.

1 – This map[1] has no source and seem to be a very inaccurate map of both historic and current Yezidi settlements mixed and it looks like an amateur map made with paint.

2 – You write that Ezidxan means "land of the Yezidis", but the source given (Turgut) does not state that.

3 – From what I've found in academia, Ezidxan refers to Sinjar area in Northern Iraq and not the historical Yezidi-populated enclaves in Turkey and Syria. Can you provide a source which clearly state that Ezidxan is more than Sinjar area? More than half of the article is a list of historical Yezidi settlements but the sources given none of the sources given mention Ezidxan (or any of its derivatives.) You list Turkey and Syria in the infobox without a source as well.

4 – Concerning the historical references, the source ezipedia.de seems to be the only site on the internet who mentions "Ciwabê bidne Êzîdxanê". Do you have any other source?

5 – Then we have the flag. The flag is a milia flag (Protection Force of Ezidkhan) and you write Flag used by most Yazidis and also official flag of the Protection Force of Ezidkhan – source needed for this. Otherwise, the flag should be removed.

--Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First, read the source correctly before you claim something. In the source below in German "Land der Yeziden" (english: Land of the Yazidis) is mentioned.[2] There is also another source where it says "Çiwabe bidine Êzîdxanê".page 492 The flag is used by most Yazidis and the map shows only the settlement areas where Yazidis lived.—58.79.24.120 (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He actually argues that it Ezidxan is restricted to 'Ridwan Region'. This contradicts with the whole article which claims that Ezidxan spans over three modern states. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 19:43, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The assumption is obvious that you are only busy with defacing Yazidi articles. Unfortunately it is not surprised because you are a Kurd. Even on Nowruz Day, many Kurds are against the Yazidis. You want to spread your POV and replace, for example, "Kurmanji" with "Northern Kurdish". Your posts tell us what your goal is.[3]—58.79.24.120 (talk) 21:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you going to respond to my criticism or are you just gonna continue the racism and baseless claims? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, you do not understand the difference between settlement areas and countries. Ezidkhan refers to the settlement areas of the Yazidis, that does not mean that it means a official land.—58.79.24.120 (talk) 22:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Did I every state anything about Ezidkhan being a country? The problem is that you add dozens of villages in Turkey and Iraq and claim that they are part of Ezidkhan - like with the map, you don't give sources on those specific villages being part of an historic or current Ezidxan. It's like claiming that all Kurdish villages in the world is automatically part of Kurdistan even if it's not part of the continuous Kurdish region. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 22:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the villages are part of Ezidkhan because Ezidkhan means the settlement areas of the Yazidis. The villages are inhabited by Yazidis and of course they are part of the Yazidi settlements. Ezidkhan is not an offical country its just refers to the Yazidi settlements. The difference between settlement areas and your statement is that Kurds claim that Kurdistan is an existing country, and there are other names for settlement areas disturbing them.—58.79.24.120 (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What you're doing is Wikipedia:Original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. The page should be changed --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is that only you are disturbed by this term, because you are a Kurd. According to your posts, we can see that you did not post anything about Yazidis. The only goal you are pursuing here is to damage Yazidi articles. We also see your efforts to get rid of the article Ezdiki, because the term "Yazidi language" bothers you as well.—58.79.24.120 (talk) 00:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am disturbed by your one-sided edits. I am disturbed by the way you manipulate by either using very biased sources (not only with this page) or manipulate with what sources claim. Again, this article is full of POV and OR problems. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And please stop mentioning my ethnicity in every second tweet. Its disturbing and racist of you. Know better and focus on the substance instead. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 01:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism

More than 20,000 Bytes deleted by a single user named Ahmedo Semsurî. This is not an article improvement. --79.202.155.225 (talk) 04:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The long list of Yezidi settlements was removed because it was not clear (explicitly) whether they they were in anyway tied to Ezidxan. Frankly, it is still not clear where Ezidxan is/was precisely. On the other hand, they could be moved to the Yezidi or List of Yezidi settlements where it is made clear whether it is a historical or current settlement. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 08:47, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ezidkhan --> List of Yazidi settlements

@Lean Anael:, @AntonSamuel:, @Doug Weller: and all other interested: Since this article has many problems, I believe that one solution could be to move it to List of Yazidi settlements, wherein this list of current and historical Yazidi settlements can be readded[4] (it was removed since there was no clear correlation between Ezidkhan and Yazidi settlements). Moreover, the information that currently exist in the article can be kept under an "Ezidkhan" section. What do you think? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:40, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

cc @Zirguezi:, @Wikaviani:, @HistoryofIran: --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think so. This page covers the term Ezidkhan and not List of Yazidi settlements. The term appears more often in media and we also have other articles like Êzîdxan Protection Force and Êzîdxan Women's Units. 77.53.43.96 (talk) 17:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The idea is that most of the current substance will be kept. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am for two articles because this are two different things. This page is only about the term Ezidkhan. The List of Yazidi settlements should be in another page. 77.53.43.96 (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't make sense having two, since they are inextricable connected in my opinion. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My final comment is. I see no problem with the current name and find a move makes no sense and does not help to improve the article because this is mainly about the term and not a list. 77.53.43.96 (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Lists can have a bodytext as well, like List of sovereign states. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:30, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will go ahead and move the page to the proposed name and add the list of Yazidi villages. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 17:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the move. E.g. Kurdistan doesn't have a list. wumbolo ^^^ 05:20, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Entries without Wikipedia articles or appropriate reference

There is a great deal of unsourced material in this article. I have tagged the article and material that fails WP:V can be removed at any time per WP:BURDEN. // Timothy :: talk 07:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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