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Section sizes

Section size for List of University of Pennsylvania people (72 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	624	624
Faculty	17,127	17,127
Academia	650	650
Arts, media, and entertainment	40,286	40,286
Athletics	15	87,263
College football Hall of Famers	5,500	5,500
Head coaches (all sports)	23,267	23,267
NFL champions	5,094	5,094
Olympic medalists	9,783	9,783
Professional basketball players	8,790	8,790
Professional football players	9,266	9,266
Professional baseball players	5,878	5,878
Fencing	2,967	2,967
Rowing/crew	5,409	5,409
Other athletes	8,772	8,772
Sports executives and owners	2,522	2,522
Business	295	18,031
Company founders	4,625	4,625
Other entrepreneurs and business leaders	10,777	10,777
Exploration	2,334	2,334
Government, politics, and law	35	232,275
Colonial American leaders	35	9,931
Members of the Continental Congress	6,478	6,478
Signers of the US Constitution and/or Declaration of Independence	3,418	3,418
United States government	34	94,336
Presidents of the United States	1,851	1,851
Members of the United States Cabinet (or top level executive branch)	13,993	13,993
United States senators	8,990	8,990
Members of the United States House of Representatives	48,448	48,448
United States ambassadors	21,020	21,020
State government	26	49,356
Governors	12,005	12,005
State legislators	16,560	16,560
Mayors	9,330	9,330
State Supreme Court justices	11,435	11,435
US federal judges	320	49,175
United States Supreme Court Justices	710	710
United States Courts of Appeals judges	9,459	9,459
Other United States Court judges (District Courts, and other federal courts)	19,230	19,230
State Attorneys General	3,138	3,138
Other state, or local executive or judicial branch officials	16,318	16,318
Foreign governments	29	24,046
Heads of state and government	6,225	6,225
Mayors in cities not part of US	1,533	1,533
Legislators, Members of Parliaments not part of the United States	5,817	5,817
Foreign judiciary	1,857	1,857
Foreign ambassadors	3,318	3,318
Foreign government finance officials	1,990	1,990
Other foreign officials	3,277	3,277
Lawyers, advisors, and civil rights leaders	5,396	5,396
Medicine	45,970	45,970
Military	14	14,793
Medal of Honor recipients	1,394	1,394
Air Force officials	1,650	1,650
Army officials	5,149	5,149
Coast Guard officials	293	293
Marine Corps officials	1,763	1,763
Merchant Marine officials	418	418
Navy officials	4,112	4,112
Philosophy, theology, and religion	7,052	7,052
Science and technology	10,162	10,162
Other	4,853	8,985
Notorious	4,132	4,132
Fictional alumni	5,200	5,200
Nobel laureates	21	5,395
Physics	719	719
Chemistry	1,996	1,996
Medicine	1,591	1,591
Economics	1,068	1,068
See also	53	53
References	2,296	2,296
Bibliography	415	415
Total	496,577	496,577

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There's an article on Olivia S. Mitchell which has an orphan tag, and it seems to me that this article should link to that one. Does anyone else agree? 3005shdh (talk) 14:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a week and there's been no response so I went ahead and added an entry and link to the article on Olivia S. Mitchell as described above. 3005shdh (talk) 13:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that notable faculty should come before noted alumni - after all, they're Penn people now. I also am going to alphebetize the list of categories of noted alumni since I can't think of any reason why the current order exits. Flying fish 19:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't realized that the Nobel laureates section was exclusively alumni. I think it would make sense to have all Nobel laureates associated with Penn at the top, then faculty, then alumni. Flying fish 19:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised to see Wole Soyinka (the 1986 Nobel laureate in literature) on this list; his name was added earlier today (Nov. 20, 2006) by User:Chelsaz27. I am not aware of any connection between Soyinka and Penn. I did some research and all I found were articles about individual lectures he delivered on campus in 1996 and 2004. He's not an alum and, as far as I can tell, has never been a member of the faculty or held any other position within the university. Is there more of a connection than I was able to find, or was Chelsaz27 just eager to add another Nobel winner to the list?

If there's no response to this inquiry within the next couple of weeks I will delete Soyinka from the article.4.232.225.112 02:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one has responded, I'm going to go ahead and delete Soyinka's name. I did a little more research and found that he received an important medal from Penn in 2004, but that isn't enough of a connection to justify listing him here. Since the medal can be presented to people with or without other Penn connections, Soyinka's receipt also does not suggest that he has a meaningful relationship to the university.4.232.225.162 23:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked Penn's "official" list of its Nobel laureates (http://www.archives.upenn.edu/histy/notables/awards/nobel.html) and I note that it does not include Wole Soyinka. It also doesn't include Hideki Shirakawa (Chemistry 2000), whose autobiography (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/2000/shirakawa-autobio.html) explains that he was only at Penn for a year (1976-1977) as a visiting research scientist. Like most other universities, Penn does not count short-term visitors toward its Nobel total.

I suggest deleting him from the list as well, but I don't want to act unilaterally. If no one makes a good argument for keeping him on the list I will remove his name and Soyinka's early next month. 4.232.126.32 03:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to leave Shirakawa's name on the list after all. Most major universities, including Penn, wouldn't claim him based on a one-year visit, but I don't see why information on Wikipedia should be limited by this convention.4.232.225.162 23:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the link for Edward Doheny goes to Edward L. Doheny, the late oil tycoon, rather than the geology professor. I've added his middle initial 'J' to avoid the link. Leilams 08:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Loren Eiseley's name could have appeared under several different categories of this list, but it isn't listed anywhere. Is there a reason for this? (Apace361 (talk) 02:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Apace361 Loren Wisely, Penn Professor Biochemistry and Biophysics (September 3, 1907 – July 9, 1977) Is now on list 353 KB (39,733 words) OneMoreByte (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Long

This is a looong list. Would it be better served by a category? RJFJR (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Split - Article is over 100 kB, and should be split, starting with "Government" section. Thoughts? Suggestions?--Jax 0677 (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Split $The Haz talk$ 01:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose UPENN has 1,649 alumni with Wikipedia article,[1] similar to NYU (1,581)[2]. Comparatively Harvard has 9,981 alumni with Wikipedia article,[3] and University of Michigan has 3,596 alumni with Wikipedia article[4]. Most large college's have similar number of alumni with Wikipedia article as UPENN, but none of their Notable Alumni articles has been split.--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. First of all, I'm surprised an experienced editor, let alone a sysop, would say as nom has "shouldn't we have a category rather than a list?" They serve different purposes. It's never an either-or, or this-instead-of-that. This is well-known by most editors I would think who edit in the list area. I'm too rushed to get you the diff to the language on that, but perhaps user:DGG can oblige if he has time. Epeefleche (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's well established that we should have a list and a category. The ref is WP:LIST. The people are more easily found if they are all on one page, especially since it may not be obvious which category to look. (an otherwise good techniques, collapsable sections, is Ib believe deprecated because of the problem it gives those using screen readers) If it were to be split it should in some logical way, not arbitrarily. DGG ( talk ) 01:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks. I've more time now, and found the guideline WP:NOTDUP. It reflects that nom's rationale is based on a position that is contrary to wp guidelines, and therefore nom's !vote should be downgraded in weight accordingly (we do not countenance !votes based on arguments that are at odds with our guidelines; if an editor wishes to, he can seek to change the consensus guideline). The guideline states, unequivocally:

"It is neither improper nor uncommon to simultaneously have a category, a list, and a navigation template which all cover the same topic. These redundant systems of organizing information are considered to be complementary, not inappropriately duplicative. Furthermore, arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa) at a deletion discussion is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided."

Epeefleche (talk) 22:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I thought arguments in the "oppose" camp arguing against splitting up the Penn list were persuasive. I was especially convinced by argument made by Harvard Guy1 [see his (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)] where he wrote that Harvard and Michigan have roughly double the number of people on their lists and their lists have not been split. I think that the Penn Academia people (who earlier this year were split from main group and placed on a separate list) should be put back. However, I defer to the more experienced editors. OneMoreByte (talk) 14:08, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chuck Bednarik

Why isn't Chuck Bednarik, perhaps the greatest football player ever to play at Penn, included in the list of "College Football Hall of Famers"? (Apace361 (talk) 01:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Per your comment, I added Chuck Bednarik. Thanks for the suggestion. OneMoreByte (talk) 13:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmet Oz

Mehmet Oz should be moved to the "Notorious" section of the article, as he has been exposed for promoting quack medicine. --Westwind273 (talk) 01:07, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While Oz has been criticized -- I have not read anything that rises to the level of what you state as fact. I believe you may have created a BLP violation. Perhaps a sysop who looks at this page can make that determination, and if so wipe out your comment (and mine as well if they like). --Epeefleche (talk) 01:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Herman Schaefer

The following entry was removed from list due to it not having its own Wikipedia entry. Though I have modified 100s and 100s of existing entries, I do not yet know how to add an entry. I take no umbrage if someone here agrees there should be one for an Olympic athlete who also was responsible for merger of Frito Lay and Pepsi "Herman Albert Schaefer (born in 1921 in Philadelphia, PA and died on December 6, 2012 in Southampton, NY) Wharton School of Finance Class of 1943, B.S. in Econ., and Penn Law Class of 1948, joined the Marine Corps, where he volunteered for bomb disposal and became an officer in the Navy during World War 2 on a battle ship in the Pacific, practiced law and then earned a C.P.A. and joined an accounting firm; joined Pepsi-Cola Company, where he was Executive Vice President and CFO responsible for making the initial contact with Frito-Lay, Inc., and implementing the merger that formed PepsiCo; played fronton tennis (which was a demo sport) at 1968 Summer Olympics^[1]^[2]^[3]" OneMoreByte (talk) 13:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/notables/athletics/olympics/athletes
^ https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=161589213 Published in New York Times on December 9, 2012 and retrieved on the internet on November 27, 2020.
^ https://classic.esquire.com/article/1975/4/1/the-doctrine-of-multinational-sell retrieved on the internet on November 27, 2020.

3 column format hard to read

please make it two or 1 column, cant read anything. not user-friendly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.173.6 (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thanks for your feedback. What kind of device are you using to view the page with? On a desktop/PC, the columns should reduce to two or one (maybe even starting at four, if your screen is wide enough) as you reduce the width of your viewer window. (It does this for me, anyway, and I have a fairly ancient browser.) On a phone, I see only one column anyway. Or do you simply not like three-column displays in general? — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 20:56, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now the templates are collapsed...

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I was trying to fix the bare URLs issue. Everything was fine after edit id 1216132909, but after edit id 1216137343, the templates collapsed (cannot be viewed). I didn't notice it until I tried to edit again because everything loaded just fine in the preview window. The edit after that (1216138847) does resolve the last 4 of the bare URLs that I'd noticed.

How do I fix this without having to undo the work fixing the bare URLs?

Article too big? OIM20 (talk) 09:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is too large, and having issues with WP:PEIS. I have seen this happen a few times, but to solve the issue just subst the citation templates to get it down to raw code. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 09:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! OIM20 (talk) 09:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[ReferenceB-1] ttps://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/notables/athletics/olympics/athletes

[Dec._9_2020-2] ttps://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=161589213 Published in New York Times on December 9, 2012 and retrieved on the internet on November 27, 2020.

[classic.esquire.com-3] ttps://classic.esquire.com/article/1975/4/1/the-doctrine-of-multinational-sell retrieved on the internet on November 27, 2020.

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