Talk:List of United States cities by population/Archive 5

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Should Puerto Rico's cities be included in the first table?

The U.S. Census Bureau includes 52 areas in the American Community Survey: the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. In these places, data is collected annually. Because of this, should Puerto Rico's cities (such as San Juan) be included in the first table? The U.S. Census Bureau treats Puerto Rico as if it were a state (for data purposes), which it does not do for the other U.S. territories. LumaP15 (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2020

The population of Orlando must be corrected in the list! 82.222.185.90 (talk) 06:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The number in the article reflects the latest estimate from the US Census, which is what we use for the list. APK whisper in my ear 06:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

"List of largest cities in the United States" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect List of largest cities in the United States. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 26#List of largest cities in the United States until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2020

The land area of Louisville, KY does not match the land area listed in the Wikipedia entry for Louisville, KY. Neither matches data found at census.gov- https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/louisvillejeffersoncountybalancekentucky/PST045219 which indicates Louisville is 325.25 square miles. GatherRain (talk) 22:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

 Note: The 263.5 figure is referring to just Louisville, excluding Jefferson County, Pre-merger. There's a footnote making the distinction but that might not be too clear. If we were change the area to 325.25 then we'd need to change the name too. Is there consensus that'd be right thing to do? --Paul ❬talk❭ 19:48, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Carpenter: It seems to me that the entire list is based on the same Census Bureau reference, so I think we should leave it as is. There's a couple other cities on the list with this problem as well, like Jacksonville and Indianapolis. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

In the case of Indianapolis, the land area listed in this article (361.5 sq mi) is the same as that in the Indianapolis (balance) article and very close to that in the Indianapolis article (361.66 sq mi). "Indianapolis (balance)" is the pre-consolidation area of Indianapolis plus all the area of Marion County that is not in another incorporated city or town. I imagine the same sort of thing is going on with Louisville. Indyguy (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2021

Frisco TX 177020 2600:1700:1112:89B0:F523:14:4554:505E (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: According to this (the cited source is the US census), just no. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Distribition section seems like original research

Thinking about deleting it. Thoughts? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 22:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Can someone add a column for "absolute gain/loss"?

It would be nice to have a sortable column by absolute gain or loss. Sorting by percent gain/loss for 100,000 people is different from a 10% gain which could match up with a much smaller city that also gained 10% (but only 20,000 people). --73.81.118.62 (talk) 12:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Plan for 2020 numbers

The 2020 Census numbers have been released [1] but in a very clunky format. I can extract the files and update this list, but will not have the time to compile it until this weekend. My plan is to get the full list together from each state externally, and update this list in one fell swoop. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 20:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I noticed that and am very excited about it! Usually I try to get the table updated as quickly as possible myself, but if you're going to download the data and do it, then go right ahead! I would suggest we overwrite the 2020 estimate column as the 2020 estimates are based off of the 2010 figures and just keep the 2020 Census and 2010 Census figures as the "before" and "after" column. And then next year when the 2021 estimates come out, we can shift the 2020 Census figures to the "before" column and do the 2021 estimates as the "after." Do we have updated area files for the cities yet to re-calculate the population densities? And I agree with the above thread that maybe a gross number change column should be included as well, if it can all fit well in one table. Let me know if you want any help or assistance! Coulraphobic123 (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Agreed on the plan being comparing the two Censuses directly, especially with how...creative the 2020 estimates turned out. I am not sure if we have updated area files. We may -- the ZIP files are enormous -- so I'll see if I can find a key to each column. The population column is easy to identify from the state total being the first line in each file, so likewise for a potential area column. Once I have every 100k+ city in an Excel file, the gross change column will be trivial to add. Thanks, and I'll update on Friday evening/Saturday morning how the process is going. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 21:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

For metro/micropolitan areas, the Census Bureau has already released an outstanding tool compiling MSA and μSA figures. The CSA figures can then be quickly assembled from the OMB definitions. If you would like to update the MSA, CSA, etc. tables, I do not have the time today. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 21:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I've actually found an "alternate" source that more easily has the 2020 Census figures laid out for the cities. It's not really the official source I'd like to use from the Census bureau, but from what I see they seem to be accurate. I can do the table tonight (as well as updating the other tables where appropriate). The source is [2], but you have to go down to each of the states individually and the 2010 Census numbers appear to be altered there. Take a look and let me know what you think. I'll start editing in a word file on my laptop now and check back here. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 22:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I'm familiar with citypopulation.de. That site usually is pretty quick about scraping data. I do not mind not wading through the massive ZIP files, so go right ahead. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 22:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Will do. Could you do me one favor? The source I'm using doesn't show the updated population for Louisville. From what I can tell from the released files at your source from the Census (I opened with Notepad), it looks like Louisville's balance has shrunk to 360,767 which seems significant considering it was estimated to be closer to 600,000. Would you be able to confirm that's the Louisville balance? The whole of Louisville/Jefferson County is not the number we'd use since that includes other incorporated municipalities. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I think I see what's going on with Louisville. The following two lines are in the monster file, bold text is mine:

PLST|KY|160|00|00|000|00|0006379|1600000US2148000|2148000|3|6|21|01779786||||||||||||||||48000|C9|02404963||||||||||||||||||||||||||N|N||||||||||||||||||||||||||159239204|12488303|Louisville|Louisville city|N||246161|122927|+38.2247283|-085.7406138|25||
PLST|KY|160|00|00|000|00|0006380|1600000US2148006|2148006|3|6|21|01779786||||||||||||||||48006|C8|01967434||||||||||||||||||||||||||Y|N||||||||||||||||||||||||||682349258|30257523|Louisville/Jefferson County metro government (balance)|Louisville/Jefferson County metro government (balance)|F||386884|164238|+38.1653759|-085.6473774|00||

The Louisville city line seems to be the pre-consolidation boundary with a population of 246,161. Then the balance is without the other cities or the pre-Metro city, and that is 386,884. Summing them together gives a more reasonable 633,045. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 00:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks...I'll go with that and we can always go back and correct it when the data gets released in a more orderly manner.  :) Coulraphobic123 (talk) 02:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright I have updated the main table with 2020 figures, though I have not updated the population densities. Those will need to be updated when the city areas for 2020 are known. I also updated the table for the cities formerly over 100k with 2020 figures, including deleting the ones that have since gone over 100k again. I did not updated the CDP table yet since there was some wonky looking counts for all of the CDPs in Nevada (Paradise seems to have lost a lot of people, maybe because parts were annexed by Enterprise) but again, that's based on the citypopulation data. The CDPs can be updated with better data from the Census figures. If there are any mistakes I made with the data entry or used the incorrect numbers, feel free to correct! A new picture will need to be added for Bakersfield as that is now in the top 50 and it will also need to be added to the map near the bottom. Otherwise, I think I'm going to call it a night! :) Coulraphobic123 (talk) 03:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

U.S. map coordinate labels jump around

Try looking at this article (specifically first section map) using several different magnifications. It appears the names of cities quickly become off-base from the coordinate, then way off-base as one moves away from 100%. Can that be obviated, please? (The map at the bottom of The 20th-Century Architecture of Frank Lloyd Wright does not seem to have that problem) Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Youngstown Ohio's population peaked in the 1930 census, not the 1970 census

In the cities formerly over 100,000 section, the peak population year is incorrect

Do you have a source for this? TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 17:14, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

According to the historical Census counts on the Youngstown page, that appears to be correct. I have corrected the table.

City names misplaced on map (at certain "Ctrl-PLUS-sign" settings)

Is it just my browser? (Or does this happen with your browser, too?)

I am using a Google Chrome browser on a "Chromebook" (with Chrome OS).

The map (see this file page, e.g.) shown on this page (which this "Talk:" page 'goes with') has a caption of

• "The 10 most populous cities of the United States"

and it did not look right when I first looked at it.

Among the problems, were:

• Each city name was displaced WAY North of where the city [red] "dot" was positioned on the map;
  and
  
• The map was "covering up" (and hence I could not see) the left HALF of the little rectangle containing some helpful stuff such as:
  • Map this section's coordinates using: OpenStreetMap
    and
    
  • Download coordinates as: KML.

When I eventually tried using "Ctrl-MINUS-sign" -- multiple times! -- to make the magnification less, ... and hence to show things with much smaller fonts, ... the [map] picture finally started to look OK.

(I usually leave it ["defaulting" to] using very BIG fonts so I can read it easily without reading glasses) ...

Is this a known issue? OR, a mistake?

Maybe nothing should be done. Maybe (slightly) vision-impaired readers should just "get used to it", and learn more about how [a] using too much of that "Ctrl-PLUS-sign" magnification can (sometimes) result in [b] weird side effects such as these.

On the other hand ... maybe there is something going on here, that is NOT intentional, and is NOT correct, and is actually due to a TYPO in the wikitext, or ... maybe some disappointing (but ... difficult to fix?) shortcoming in (or aspect of) the Mediawiki implementation of [the handling of] "Ctrl-PLUS-sign" and "Ctrl-MINUS-sign".

Any comments? (Thanks for listening)

I do not know what -- "if anything" -- should be done about this.
But maybe one of you (the readers of this "Talk:" page) does.
Hence this ["comment"] post. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 17:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

blatant MISTAKE [in a reply to an "edit request"] circa Jan. 28/28, 2021

The only reply (to the original request, in ... a certain "Talk:" page section -- which has now been archived, and can be seen here -- ... was off base.

I realize that time has marched on, and the info from the 2020 census is now available (but ... was it "not" available at that time? that is, at << 21:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC) >> [when that original request occurred] and then about ... a few hours later [when that only reply occurred] -- ? --)

In any case, I clicked on the link displayed as the word "this" (which points to the URL << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno,_Texas >>) (i.e., the article [about] Fresno, Texas) in that only reply. If you would like to click on (or, at least, see) that link which is displayed as the word "this", then ... one of the quickest / easiest ways to get to it, is to

• first click on the link [... ABOVE] that is displayed as the word "here" (right after "can be seen") in the first sentence [... ABOVE] of this section of this "Talk:" page

and then

• click on (or, at least, hover your mouse pointer over, [so you can see the URL that the link points to] for a short time) the link displayed as the word "this", in the only reply to the original request, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_United_States_cities_by_population/Archive_5#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_27_January_2021 there.

In any case, when I clicked on that link labeled "this", it became obvious that the "reply-er" [the editor who replied] had confused "Frisco, Texas" with "Fresno, Texas". That is a pretty "double" mistake! Not only do those two city names differ in [a] their first vowel ("i" vs. "e"), but they also differ in [b] their last consonant ("c" vs. "n") -- ! -- One of those towns is kinda small (19,069 as of the 2010 census), and the other one is way larger (116,989 as of the 2010 census, and even larger -- almost double its 2010 population! -- by 2020).

Should [the initial response to] that original "Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2021" be reconsidered? OR ... is there some other possible course of action, that could / should be considered now, that would be even better? (since the info from the 2020 census is now available) -- ? --

PS: I just took a look at (the entry for "Frisco, Texas" in) the article "List of United States cities by population". Since it seems to now reflect the info from the 2020 census, ... that is probably even better than the suggestion -- (which seems to have been based on some data from 2019) -- that was contained in the the original request, shown at the place now archived "here". So ... does that mean, that the alleged "mistake" does not have to be corrected, now? Since the update would be overridden by newer data anyway?

Any comments? Thanks for listening. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 05:03, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Please!

Can i pls see the top 300 largest cities in the U.S.A 107.115.207.47 (talk) 15:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

The main table on this page lists the top 326 incorporated municipalities in population. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 23:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

"State largest city "

Seems a pointless designation for a table ranked by population. 24.112.171.240 (talk) 14:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Peak populations for cities formerly >100,000

I took a look at the current revision of this article and compared it to the version for the 2019 estimates and found that five cities (Bend, Oregon; Carmel, Indiana; San Angelo, Texas; Tuscaloosa, Alabama; and Vista, California) had dipped below the 100,000 mark. I would add them to the "formerly above 100,000" table, but unfortunately I do not know what the peak population for these cities are. I hate to ask, but could somebody please find the peak populations for these cities? Thank you. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I may be mistaken, but I think cities are added to the "formerly above 100,000" table only if their population at an official census had been over 100,000. That an estimate had them above 100,000 and the current actual census has them below only means that the estimate was likely incorrect. Indyguy (talk) 23:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I see. Thank you for answering. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Are you sure about Bend OR being below 100,000? Its page says 111,822 in the 2020 Census. Dtilque (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC) I found a different site that says it's only 99K, so it looks like the Bend, Oregon page is wrong. Dtilque (talk) 13:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

The source that they're using in the article for Bend, OR is using the wrong information. That's for the Bend CCD, which is the census county division, not the incorporated municipality which is the correct data set that should be used which can be found here[3] Coulraphobic123 (talk) 15:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Should Citrus Heights be removed from the list, or at least listed with a footnote? It only achieved a population above 100,000 before it was incorporated, when it was just Citrus Heights CDP. As an incorporated city it's a different entity with different boundaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.248.85.56 (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Census Designated Places (CDPs)

Two large CDPs are missing from the list:

1) Urban Honolulu CDP, Hawaii. 2020 Population 350,964. Honolulu is listed at number 55 of the "incorporated" cities, however Honolulu is not incorporated. It is defined as a CDP by the Census Bureau.

2) Lehigh Acres CDP, Florida. 2020 Population 114,287.

68.131.101.60 (talk) 03:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2022

Can you rephrase the sentence?

Original: Therefore, a different ranking is evident when considering U.S. metropolitan area populations.

Rephrased: Wherefore, a unique ranking is evident when taking into consideration about U.S. metropolitan area populations and demographics. 2601:205:C002:D1E0:580B:EB89:36DF:8055 (talk) 08:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Your proposed rephrasing is confusing and significantly harder to read Cannolis (talk) 09:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Austin's population is not from 2020 census

Recently in this article, the population of Austin, TX listed under 2020 Census was changed from 961,855 to 1,028,225. The former number is the actual number enumerated in the 2020 Census, and the latter number is an estimate for 2022. Austin also has its 2020 Census population of 961,855 listed in the column for the 2010 Census; the 2010 Census really found Austin to have a population of 790,390. All other cities on the list have their 2020 and 2010 Census populations in the correct columns. This has erroneously caused Austin, TX and San Jose, CA to switch places in the 2020 Census ranking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:7D02:C60D:80C5:3C6B:BF17:9F85 (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I reverted the changes that an editor had made who didn't realize that the article uses 2020 statistics. Indyguy (talk) 21:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks mate, I appreciate it. Cheers 2603:7000:7D02:C60D:4052:D108:1A25:3A51 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Austin not "largest city" in Texas

Austin is color-coded as "state capitol and largest city." As you can see, only the first half of this is correct. Do we need another color, or what? --Dawud — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.37.173.91 (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

It’s not color-coded as state capital and largest city. APK whisper in my ear 09:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I wonder if the colors used meet the standards for accessibility. Perhaps the green and yellow used are indistinguishable in certain forms of color-blindness. Indyguy (talk) 13:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I am unsure about the color-coding, but that's also why there is bolding and italicization. Italics alone symbolizes largest city, bold alone symbolizes capital, and both symbolizes both. We could also add symbols to the end of them like * or ^. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 00:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Location

Consider matching the locations to the actual cities - I believe that cities need to be cited to the second "to respect historical norms"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.40.23 (talk) 20:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Growth/Decay values reversed?

Why are the growth and decay percentages switched? For example, it says New York City decreased by −3.82% over the past decade, while it rose by that amount. Similarly, it says Phoenix grew by +1.02% while it actually dropped by that amount. This needs to be fixed. Chris6d ^(talk) 17:47, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

The population figures in this article utilize data from the United States Census Bureau. The leftmost column is from the most recent annual estimates released every year by the US Census Bureau in the spring (from the previous year) and the rightmost article is the most recent official Census count. Because the most recent data available are the 2021 estimates, the percentage growth column reflects the change in population between the 2020 count and the 2021 estimate. There was an apparent decrease in the population of many cities during this time period due to a number of factors. The 2022 annual estimates will be released in the spring of 2023 and the table will be updated to reflect these numbers at that time. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 19:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

San Angelo

The list of cities does not include San Angelo, Texas, which is above 100,000 in population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.228.17.5 (talk) 04:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure it’s over 100,000? It was just under in the 2020 census. What source do you have showing it over 100,000? Grey Wanderer (talk) 11:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Lehigh Acres, FL

Lehigh Acres is a CDP in Florida with well over 100,000 people and should be included. 2601:548:4204:C580:F16C:962:ABE9:10A4 (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

No it shouldn’t. As the first sentence of the article says "This is a list of the most populous incorporated places of the United States." Lehigh Acres is not incorporated. Grey Wanderer (talk) 05:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I just added Lehigh Acres to the CDP section. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

2022 Estimates

The July 1, 2022 estimates were released today by the Census Bureau so I will be updating the main table on this page this afternoon. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

2022 Census figures have been updated. However, someone will need to make changes to three different things. The first is the map at the top of the article showing the location of the top 10 cities. San Jose will need to be replaced with Austin. Also, a photo for Tampa will need to be added to the gallery as it is now #49. Finally, the larger map at the very end of the article showing the location of the top 50 cities will need to switch Arlington out for Tampa. Let me know if I missed anything! Coulraphobic123 (talk) 01:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Precision Change

At the bottom of the article there is a table that says how many municipalities are settled within a certain range of population. I have broken down the wide 500,000-999,999 category into two groups: 500,000-699,999 and 700,000-999,999. Ethan369 (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Fort Lauderdale

Fort Lauderdale has 1.6 million and isn't even on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.211.111.136 (talk • contribs)

The 2020 population in the city limits (which is what we go by) was 182,760. Broward County had 1,944,375. Either way, the current info on the page is correct. APK whisper in my ear 02:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Sources for ranking of specific places

The article for Lakewood Township, New Jersey was updated to match this article and state that it was the 199th largest incorporated place in the nation. But where would I find the source to back up the claim? The article appears to have taken large amounts of data from the Census Bureau and combined it in order, but is there any single source that would have such a list? This is only complicated by the fact that the Census Bureau does not consider a township in New Jersey to be an incorporated place, when it fact it is. Alansohn (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

classified by the U.S. Census Bureau as minor civil divisions. All these MCDS in New Jersey are incorporated AndrewSan12 (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Towns

if Edison Township is included, I think that we should add The 10 Towns in New York with over 110k People. AndrewSan12 (talk) 00:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

And i Stand corrected, These New York towns are Minor civil division but these "MCDS" are still Municipal Corporations and I think they do deserve a spot on this List. AndrewSan12 (talk) 01:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

"classified by the U.S. Census Bureau as minor civil divisions. Like New Jersey and southern New England, all of New York is incorporated" AndrewSan12 (talk) 01:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Where is Ramapo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFreezerFlame (talk • contribs) 19:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Longmont, CO

Again now has 100k+ at 101,561. 120.28.224.22 (talk) 15:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

This page utilizes the official annual estimates as provided by the US Census Bureau. The 2023 estimates are expected to come out in spring of 2024 which is when this list will be updated. If the official US Census Bureau estimate has it as over 100k, then it will be added back on. The list does not take into account local government estimates. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Nashville population change % incorrect

The table shows the population fell by 0.84% when it actually grew by 0.84% Unhalfbricker (talk) 18:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

The numbers in the table as they are now are correct. Please see the sources provided in the article utilizing the most recent population estimates as provided by the US Census Bureau. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 23:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Table width

I have made several template and formatting changes to try and reduce the size of the tables. This helps readability, particularly on small screens.

But there are still a lot of columns, some of which don't need to be there. The "Location" column must be scarcely used, and even if someone wants the location, they have the link to that city right there. The lats and longs, collected together in a column, don't provide much comparison value.

The other is the two "Area" columns. This is a list by population, not area. The area doesn't need to be listed in order for the density to be shown. And there's already a US city area list. Wizmut (talk) 12:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi! the index on the table is off by two rows 2804:14D:5CE0:87D4:3D62:BAA4:F241:298F (talk) 10:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

The current template sets row numbers automatically. I can't see anything wrong - can you be more specific? Wizmut (talk) 12:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)