Talk:List of Red River chapters

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Red river needs external links, to be divided into chapters and added references. Momomai (talk) 22:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, the whole page needs to be redone from the ground up into a proper chapter list and the excessive plot summary hacked down. Refs are needed, but no ELs are. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plot too long

I've done some general cleanup of the list, and while I'll poke at editing the plot summaries, I don't think I'll get very far. Frankly, I'm not the person to edit them: I read one volume, the third, two years ago. The WP:MOS-AM guidelines developed by the manga wikiproject is that each volume should be no more than 300 words long; this is based on WP:NOT#PLOT, other project guidelines (such as WP:MOVIE and WP:TV), and a consensus from featured list candidate discussions and proposed delitions -- in otherwords, this is a strong guideline for Wikipedia as a whole. I strongly urge someone, anyone, familiar with the story to edit these down to something approaching the limit. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I offer this edit as an example of what can be done by editing down phrases, clauses, and sentences to be tighter and more concise, and eliminating duplicative redunancies. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And an anonymous dynamic IP is doing a good job of condensing the descriptions into small cans of plot, for which my hearty thanks! —Quasirandom (talk) 16:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plot trim complete. Thank you, anonymous dynamic IP. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fact check please?

Could someone confirm the name "Awranda II" in the volume 16 summary? This page is the only Google hit for that, and it comes out of nowhere. In context, it's the name of a Babylonian king, but there's no one with that name that I can find. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would help you out, but right now I'm stuck at volume 8 (my local library system doesn't have 9), and I don't skip volumes when reading. I'll have to ask one of the librarians to search outside the system for me, I've been wanting to read more of the series anyway... ;> —Dino guy 1000 16:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. We'll get someone with the whole series in here eventually. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remaining Clean Up

Trimmed plots are looking good. :) Now, just need to tweak up our lead some, add an image, add in the missing summaries for a few volumes (23-25), and improve our refs (#2 is all ANN, which is totally unnecessary for a still being released series). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The frequently used (for JP release dates) Ref#2 is ANN because I didn't manage to dig up a Shogakukan page for the series. I leave finding a better way of handling that to someone else, along with sourcing the other licensors (which is undoubtedly an incomplete list). The Amazon.jp cover image of volume one is here. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah...considering how well it seems to sell, you would think they'd have something. If nothing else, we can use Amazon, though, as it isn't user edited like the ANN list is. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about listing chapters? They may be unnamed, but that hasn't stopped other chapter lists from ennumerating them (e.g. via Chapters 1-5). Also, what about cover characters? (I've been meaning to take care of both of these myself, but... yeah... =P I'll get around to it if no one else beats me there) —Dino guy 1000 19:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if they aren't named, then just needs something like "Chapter 1-5" and any extras. Also needs cover characters too unless its all the same folks. Having not read the series, I can't identify the cover folks, so I'll leave that to you ;) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep yep. Now, to work up the motivation to carry the first 5 or so volumes down a flight of stairs and start counting chapters... =) —Dino guy 1000 19:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, looking online, it appears the chapters may have had titles in the original Japanese versions (or may be the volumes had subtitles...still checking)....okay, they are volume titles, not chapter ones. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We should add the volume titles, then, assuming we can get translations. ETA: Btw, be careful with the cover characters: while compiling the ISBNs, I noticed that the NA edition didn't always have the same cover as the JP. Cross-check against the cover pictures on Amazon.jp. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great, more work for me... -_-;; lol. ^^ All right, so I've got to check and see if the English volumes are named as well, I've got to double-check the cover characters against the original Japanese volumes, and we need to drag one of our Japanese speakers in here... Doceirias and Geg spring immediately to mind. And on top of that, I have to continue counting chapters. Heh, nothing to it... =P —Dino guy 1000 16:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have faith in you. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, yeah, I know... ;) I'll probably start back on this some after I finish creating a chapter list for Hoshin Engi... —Dino guy 1000 20:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All right, it seems the English volumes are *not* named. AnmaFinotera, could you give me a link that shows one of the titles you're referring to? Also, looking at volumes 1-12 on Amazon.jp, all the covers match up with the English covers; I still have to check the other volumes (but I'm doubting there's any difference at this point). Does anyone else have this series? I'd really *really* like to have the chapter counts double-checked, especially for around vols. 6-12 or so (and flipping through counting chapters really reminds me of how much I love this series... ^^;). —Dino guy 1000 16:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So far, checking them online, the counts have been the same. The volume titles show in the Japanese versions, and you can find translations of them online. check the second result (side note, normally I would never read a licensed title online, but the scans are useful for checking chapter counts :P). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's good, some of these have been torture deciding whether it's a chapter division or just, say, a full-page frame. That's interesting, we'll have to track down someone with the original Japanese volumes to be sure the volume titles are real and not just fanslation creations (not likely, but still a possibility, I suppose). I'm with you there, not that I have the time lately to read online scans anyways... —Dino guy 1000 17:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trust me, I know the feeling! Marmalade Boy is the same way. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting about the covers. I was pretty sure there were some differences, but I admit I wasn't checking them side-by-side (I did all the English then the Japanese). —Quasirandom (talk) 19:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only differences I've noticed so far are what is necessary for the title change. Other than that, any differences have been too minor for me to notice. I'll still check with the next volumes, though, just to be sure (I'm gonna do 13-18 in a minute). —Dino guy 1000 18:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing the covers for volumes 13-18, the only art difference I noticed was Yuri's panties showing on the Japanese cover versus her dress/whatever it is covering them on the English cover (compare [1] and [2]). —Dino guy 1000 17:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like there aren't any major cover differences to note in the article. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks that way. Blame my patchy visual memory, then. Sorry about causing you extra work, Dino. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ehh, no problem... I kind of like comparing Japanese and English covers anyways, I guess I'm just weird like that or something. ;) —Dino guy 1000 20:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I expected Shogakukan to have a page, but I wasn't able to extract it. Someone with actual Japanese skills will need to try. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I cross-checked the ANN JP dates against Amazon.jp, and the latter lists only month/year for most of the titles. There is a user-created list (actually 2, as they're limited to 25) that links to the individual volumes that lists the same dates as ANN, but again, that's user edited. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh², when we get the cover image, we can also use it on the main article. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finally added the pic here and to the main. Yay! :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Usr Ramses vs. User Ramses

As I recall, he was called "Usr Ramses" in volume 8 or so (I'm not sure exactly which one, but it was shortly after his first appearance); however, in volumes 17 and 18, he's been called "User Ramses". Am I remembering incorrectly for his introduction, or did Viz change it? If so, then "User" is correct, right? —Dino guy 1000 17:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add confusion to the mix, the usual romanization from Egyptian would be Usr. It's a common name element, and the first part of Ramses II's full royal name -- though then again, our article on him renders it as User. Hmph. Either way, yeah, whatever Viz's final spelling is should be used, but given how both are used (officially and not), note the alternative spelling for the character list. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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