Talk:List of Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures episodes

Season two

As on related articles, we have IPs insisting on adding unsourced dates here. We already have an editor blocked. Net up will be more blocks and page protection. It's pretty simple: The source says Spring 2014. If you want to add one of the June dates being repeatedly added and removed, you need to cite a source. - SummerPhD (talk) 19:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Somebody Lock This Page!!!

People have GOT to stop making up fake episode titles and posting them here. Ugh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.249.244.131 (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Season division

What is the sourcing for the division of the current episodes? I am not sure if they are universal. I am looking at an On Demand listing for CHRGD and it lists Indiana Pac / Honey, I Digitized / New Girl (listed as episodes 47-49, season 2 episodes 21-23) as season 3 episode 8/9/13. Is it possible that the Canadian port of the show uses shorter-grouped seasons? I think perhaps something like ~20 episodes per season instead of 26? 184.146.6.191 (talk) 20:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Christmas chronology

My TV guide lists the following description for the upcoming "Santa Pac" episode scheduled for 13 December 2015 is described:

Betrayus plans to put an end to PacWorld's most festive holiday by getting rid of the holiday's icon, Santa Pac."

There interesting thing about this is the dialogue which occurs during the previous Christmas special, aired 7 December 2014, "Happy Holidays and a Merry Berry Day":

Spiral: "Cyli, how do you think Pac's doing?"

Cylindria: "Well, better than last time when he had to rescue Santa-Pac from the Nether-World."

We should pay attention to see if Santa-Pac does get trapped in the NetherWorld here, and if "Santa Pac" seems like a first meeting between Pac-Man/Santa Pac or if they recognize each other from an earlier encounter.

It seems like possibly that this 2015 episode may actually be about the events the 2014 episode refers to, in which case it would serve as an example that episode events do not necessarily occur in the same order they air in. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 20:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Soda

@Grapesoda22: could you please explain why you removed the international air date information from this article... Santa Pac debuted Sunday 13 December 2015 here in Canada on the Family CHRGD channel, you should not remove that. You did not explain why you removed the information in your edit summaries.

If you have trouble assuming good faith in an earlier Canadian air date, here is a screenshot showing the Dec 20 rerun of Santa Pac this upcoming Sunday: https://imgur.com/byoGwS4 although the first run was the last Sunday I did not think it was necessary to do this. Please stop removing the international air date column. It is of particular importance if this is the first-ever air date, it is not only American air dates which are important, particularly if they come after the air dates in other countries. --184.146.6.191 (talk) 04:46, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Scary Halloween

@AClockworkOrange2: regarding Special:Diff/695982237, I am not sure about a source for Pac New Year but I came across a graphic supporting the existence of the 2-part "Scary Halloween Special".

One of the mods posted at http://pacisback.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:4755 specifically http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/pacisback/images/0/0f/PacsScaryHalloween.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140731044717 promises it for June 2015. It treats it like a single episode though, but I would not be surprised if it were split into two parts since the show has done that before. Obviously that date is inaccurate but we could mention under notes when it was promised for and that it is upcoming. I would oppose giving a specific year for it though, for all we know they may not release it until 2017 or never, perhaps an "announced episodes" section without unsourced dates affixed to them?

Of course DJ Sponge posted this in June 2014 so they could have made later announcements postponing the debut or saying it would be split but we would need to find them. For example, the other special they show at http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/pacisback/images/e/ee/SantaPacsMerryBerryDay.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140731044758 has already aired under 2 distinct titles, "Happy Holidays and a Merry Berry Day" in December 2014 and "Santa Pac" in 2015. For some reason they aired the halves out of order though since in-universe Santa Pac happens 1 year before HHaaMBD.

A title difference worth noting is the presence of "Very" though. Since the promo poster only says "Pac's Scary Halloween" we would need a new source to support the addition of "very" to it, right?

There are some plot summaries for both specials but I am not sure where they came from. Based on the labels on the posters, perhaps 41 Entertainment. Not sure if it would still be up but possibly locateable via wayback for referencing purposes.

I wonder if we could perhaps find referencing too for where seasons begin/end. Sourcing the numbering is easy enough by air date but a "season finale" or "season opener" is a further distinction which requires some outside sources.

So far the s1/s2 divide looks fine, mimicks what I see on the "Video on Demand" service for Family CHRGD but it begins S3 earlier than this page does. I actually see four eps in S3 and they are marked 5/6/7/10. This could indicate that different seasonal groupings are used depending on the distributor without any kind of consistent division. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 09:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Added notes, while I saw one claim that "very scary halloween" aired in October, I am skeptical about the source as to its reliability. http://www.tv.com/shows/pac-man-and-the-ghostly-adventures/pacs-very-scary-halloween-3254114/ says that it aired 11am on Saturday 27 October 2015. At http://www.bubbleblabber.com/disney-xd-announces-october-2015-schedule/ though nothing is highlighted for Saturday and it skips from covering the 26th to the 28th. This doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen but I need to find a way to view old schedules. Stuff like Burrp.com and LocateTV.com and Zap2it.com only seem to show today and upcoming. All I can think is to try viewing archives for before that date... why they don't allow those archives I have no idea. Zap2it is bust, last archive is from 2013. I got closer with LocateTV with https://web.archive.org/web/20151008212802/http://www.locatetv.com/listings/disney-xd but the Oct8 snapshot only previewed as far ahead as Oct13 so no nice. With Burrp the most recent I see is June 8. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Futon split

Rather than link to the Futon critic overview multiple times, since most of eps 1-39 have individual pages I would like to link to those directly. We should only use the list when necessary for those which lack it like ep 15/16.

Also we need references for season 2 and season 3 split sites since FutonCritic only continuously numbers 1-39 and states no split.

Packaging on sites like Netflix could work if we could find a page, but it seems like you have to log in to view it.

Is anyone able to archive Disney XD so non-Americans can view it or Family CHRGD so non-Canadians can view it? Very hard to converse about or prove sources when it has location-locked viewing. I could archive the TV schedules on CHRGD if I just knew what engine was capable of it, Wayback gets bounced off when I try since it is California-based. Conversely, I can't even view waybacks archives of Disney XD since it somehow detects I'm accessing from Canada and bounces me off. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Season 2 being 13 episodes

I believe there is grounds based on a lack of evidence for season 2 being 26 episodes like season 1 was to split it into a 13 episode season, ending with Happy Holidays and a Merry Berry Day. It is a natural division point since these all aired in 2014.

This also explains the presence of the 2-parter "Peace Without Slime" and "The Ghost Behind the Throne". It was a 2-party story season opener, much as we see in Friendship is Magic or Star Wars Rebels recently.

Season 3 is the episodes which aired in 2015 and there appears to be 11 of them (the last 2 to round it to 13 being the 2-part halloween schedule)

I took some snapshots of my television set showing CHRGD On Demand and it numbering 4 different episodes as season 3. Although it does not use the actual episode titles, it is very easy to match up the descriptions given with the videos with the titles, and I can confirm, having watched all of them, that they do contain those episodes.

https://imgur.com/a/Pt0iK

• episode 44 "Legend of Creepy Hollow" is season 3 episode 5
• episode 45 "Easter Egg Island" is season 3 episode 6
• episode 46 "The Wizard of Odd" is season 3 episode 7
• episode 50 "Santa Pac" is season 3 episode 10

I would have provided others but those were all that are presently available on demand. I am not sure why they skipped episodes 8-9.

One other hole here is that there are 3 episodes to account for presently numbers as 47-49 (Dentures of Doom, Honey I Digitized, New Girl) so there is a bit of a mismatch. This is why I'm seeking additional feedback here. The likely explanation is one of these got pushed later (my guess New Girl being called episode 11) but until different OnDemand displays show up I can't take further shots to confirm.

It is clear they're calling at least 10 eps season 3 though. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Episode original air dates

Instead of separate "US air date" and "Canada air date" sections, I believe it should simply have "Original air date" and then for each individual episode have the original air location in brackets next to the date. This would be much better as some episodes have been shown in different countries before others. For example, most of the last half of season 2 finished airing in Japan long ago, including the 2 Halloween episodes that haven't aired in America yet, but there is no mention of any of this here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.214.74 (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

June 2013 press release

This is listed as a reference as if to imply that the second season is slated to have 26 episodes, but it actually does not do that, it only indicates 13 episodes.

Official distribution of the show has presented the first 13 episodes as season 2 and the second 13 episodes as season 3. You can see this via the CHRGD distro. Clearly they changed their minds and made season 2/3 half as long as 1. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Japanese air dates

end of Jan 4 an IP 176 removed many of the dates here. Considering the importance of Japan I am all for having a third dates column particularly if any episodes debuted there first, but the way they were added is not satisfactory.

Firstly, the URLs bounce to the homepage, so you cannot even visit them properly. Please use a proper citeweb template and use an archive-url. Then please quote the appropriate kanji so we can search the page to verify and run the appropriate part through a translator to verify your claim. Dropping a massive Japanese page on an English wiki as proof is not adequate. Seems like this might have just been copied over from Japanese Wikipedia or something but we have to verify this ourselves and present the references to English readers.

Also please do not revert it to a 2 season format, 3 seasons is verified. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 05:10, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Due to the episode list template only having two date fields, OriginalAirDate and AltDate, we could take that verbatim rather than the current US or Canada, so long as we can establish properly cited reliable sources for the Japanese air dates. In this case though, since there is a lack of consistency of one country always being first or one country always being second, for every single episode we would have to list the country in parenthesis next to or below the primary or secondary date, or at least clarify the country in the reference used to support the date. Otherwise it will not be clear where it first aired.

I believe the best approach would be to list the earliest referenced date in the OAD column and then any other dates in the AD column. The earliest should take priority when we know 2 alt dates, but if we do not list a tertiary date openly we should at least retain the data commented-out for comparison. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I will prepare an introductory cite for one of the two allegedly aired Halloween episodes according to the badly presented URLs removed in the reversion to S3. This is to show how to do it in case the adder wants to do that for any of the other URLs in case there is anything else that only aired (or first aired) in Japan. I am doing this by citing an archive URL because the provided URLs did not work and simply forwarded me to the homepage. Luckily the wayback machine had snapshots of April 4 in 2015. I checked http://s.mxtv.jp/bangumi/index.php?kind=1&date=20150411 where the April 11 archive allegedly had part 2 of the Halloween episode but there was no snapshot of it.

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Season 3?

Isn't the official production website a better source for how many seasons the show has? The PDF on 41e's page states it is 2 seasons each with 26 episodes. I'm pretty sure the correct information lies in the hands of the company that actually made the show...

On an unrelated note, to be consistent shouldn't we keep the same table format for both seasons? It makes more sense to include the "original debut" column in both seasons, not just one of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.5.99 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 10 January 2016

@5.80.5.99: their main page at http://www.41e.tv/en/our_product/5/pac_man_and_the_ghostly_adventures_26_x_22 only specifies 52 x 22' and as we can see by their URL (which says 26 x 22) they sometimes make changes and neglect to update them. You refer to http://www.41e.tv/descargas/165_patga--sell-sheet_20150310.pdf which does say "26 half hours".

Keep in mind that, as reflected in the filename, this was likely done March 10th or October 3rd. Not sure which but it was present in the October 17th archive while the earlier January 24 archive instead links to http://web.archive.org/web/20150124202159/http://www.41e.tv/descargas/136_patga--sell-sheet_20150120.pdf (sadly not archived). Actually since that previous filename indicates January 20th (month then day) I think we can be certain the following PDF was arranged March 10th.

This was merely an advertisement they used to pitch the English version of episodes 27-52 to DXD/CHRGD.

What they initially advertised and what was finally decided upon as a distribution structure is different. This is exactly what happened with "Santa Pac's Merry Berry Day" (see https://web.archive.org/web/20151106002407/http://www.41e.tv/en/our_product/61/santa_pacs_merry_berry_day_1_x_44_ ) and Pac's Scary Halloween (see https://web.archive.org/web/20151106002400/http://www.41e.tv/en/our_product/60/pacs_scary_halloween_1_x_44_ ) there was an alteration between the initial presentation from 41e (two 44 minute specials) and the end result when the show was adapted for televising (each was split into two 22-minute parts). This is essentially what happened with what was originally advertised as season 2.

In spite of the PDF being arranged March 2015, the first 13 (retroactively all 13) episodes from season 2 had already been broadcast in English in the US during 2014, as listed at http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/pac-man-and-the-ghostly-adventures/listings/ and in Canada a portion had broadcast in 2014 and a portion did not broadcast until early 2015.

Basically they were pitching episodes 40-52 as the remainder of season 2 in March 2015 but by the time these episodes were picked up for English broadcast in May 2015, they decided to broadcast it as season 3, as seen in the screenshots of the On-Demand access to the show at https://imgur.com/a/Pt0iK and as we can see in http://www.41e.tv/descargas/59_20130617_press_release_namco_bandai_games,_arad_productions_and_41_entertainment_announce_second_season_for_pac-man.pdf they had eps 1-13 by June 2013, promised eps 14-26 by September 2013, promised eps 27-39 by spring 2014 and then possibly eps 40-52 "also for 2014". Although they did produce 40-52 they did not finish them by 2014 as promised, so their not being released until 2015 is probably why the distributors renegotiated it as being season 3 as proven above. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

@5.80.5.99: see also http://web.archive.org/web/20150607112142/http://www.rogersondemand.com/OnDemand/Show/pac_man_and_the_ghostly_adventures?lang=en it displays episodes 40-42 (peace w/o slime) as season 3 episodes 1-3 instead of season 2 episodes 14-16. Hopefully this is adequate. If anyone knows any other distributors of the end product who make reference to seasons that could be useful. CHRGD consistently presents a third season in Canada, I don't know if anyone has access to a URL for DXD where Pac-Man is aired in the United States. I am bounced to the Canadian site if I try to access the US site so I can't check. I also don't know which cable providers include DXD in packages they sell. If anyone gets DXD in the US perhaps you could take a screenshot of your OnDemand setting to show if it has eps 40-52 as s3 1-13 like I've demonstrated or s2 14-26 as people have alleged but yet for which there is no proof yet. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 23:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

In the UK, the last half 13 episodes were still classed as season 2.176.252.28.5 (talk) 09:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Can you supply a reliable source to support that claim? I have supplied sources showing it is classified as season 3 in Canada. This split is cleaner anyway. Do we even know if the UK uses the episode numbering aligning with the Japanese debuts? 174.92.135.167 (talk) 01:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Season 1 and 2 are in the US. I was seeing the website and checking Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures Season 3. Tlsonic214 8:25 pm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.166.215 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 24 January 2016‎

Please specify where you got this information. Is it available on the web for us to check, like the cited ROD archives? If not, can you at least explain how you are coming to this conclusion? 174.92.135.167 (talk) 03:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Guys even if you can supply proof that US/UK treat 40-52 as 2nd half of s2 I think we should still keep a season 3 section and just make a note about those countries doing that. The breakup per year is just a lot better looking. It's done this since DXD in Canada in mid 2015 and on CHRGD in Canada even now in Jan 2016. Where and when was this alleged s2 e14-26 done? Where's the proof? 174.92.135.167 (talk) 03:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't really know what's correct here, but it's worth noting that Netflix lists season 2 with 26 episodes. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Is there a way to verify this claim to people who are not Netflix subscribers? I found https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80000139 but it only shows the title and asks me to register for some free month. DirecTV gives extensive info on their site for their series, I guess Netflix doesn't do the same?

Even so, Netflix doing this doesn't mean we should abandon a season 3 setup, because this is still something Rogers/Bell/CHRGD do. When did Netflix begin broadcasting these anyway? Any URLs to cite air dates? Are they late to the game?

If it really must be noted then it might require setting up a custom 3rd numerical column like List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes#Season 1 does, so we could do "number in season 2" and "number in season 3". This would seriously complicate things if a 4th season is produced though. Considering how clean 2014=2 2015=3 is though, and the big difference with 40-52 (Japan-premier) and how clean the split is (39 being christmas special just like 52, 40-41 opening as a 2-parter just like season 1) Netflix coming along and ignoring the season 3 split seems an unnecessary complication, if it is true. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

You can see details here. Netflix's way of organizing seasons does not necessarily mean we have to follow that as it is not the original network, I just mentioned it. Also, Netflix doesn't "broadcast" anything, as it's an on-demand streaming service. According to the site I linked, it was added to Netflix U.S. on July 17, 2014, but I have no idea if that includes season 2 or not. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:07, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Is the reliability of FlixSearch.IO discussed somewhere on Wikipedia? I'm unfamiliar with the site. I'm guessing the 17 July 2014 date is when they started adding it, maybe episode 1, others could have been added later. 13 June 2015 was the ep 1 debut so over a year later they could have had the first season by that point. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 04:26, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

season 4

I just undid some edits which added a section for this and a modification to the table claiming it will have 26 episodes.

I sure hope this is true, but before we list anything like this we need reliable sources supporting the plans for a 4th season and if so, how many episodes the company states they are making for it.

@66.241.166.215: please convey where this information originates. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 03:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

My guess is this is related to the unconfirmed rumors of there being episodes 53/54 titled "Happy Pac Year" (invented October 29) and "A Glitch is a Glitch" (invented January 15). Tlsonic keeps restoring these pages on one of the Wikia projects dedicated to the show, but continually fails to supply any kind of reliable source to confirm the existence of such episodes even in a developmental state. They appear to exist to get people hyped about the show, as comments about how awesome they will be are kept while comments calling their existence into question get removed. Now that 40-52 is officially season 3, the silly speculation about episodes after 52 that's been going on since May 21 is probably just being referred to by an increased count. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

NGIT in the US

@AClockworkOrange2: with Tlsonic adding May 29, 2015 to the article over and over for New Girl in Town (though I think we've been right in removing it since it's unsourced and that user has been adding a lot of questionable stuff) I was wondering about it and found http://www.tv.com/shows/pac-man-and-the-ghostly-adventures/new-girl-in-town-3079127/ which claims it aired 11am on DXD. Do you think that's a reliable source? I am unaware of who creates TV.com entries and whether or not they are trustworthy. I wish I could do more like check DXD schedule archives but any time I visit the American site it bounces me to the Canadian one, so I have to view it through a US server proxy, meh. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 12:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

TV.com can be edited by users. So, no. Signing out, A Clockwork Orange From the Future | Ask me anything. 23:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah okay, there are so many TV log sites out there I'm not familiar which are open and unreliable and which ones are closed and reliable. Still his tears are so pure I want to believe (like Fox Mulder) if he would just say where the date came from (like if Netflix or something) we could do it. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 04:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Happy Pac Year and 2017

@Caleb Doerksen: I just removed this addition because you did not supply any sources supporting the alleged existence of this episode or another season. Please provide those before trying to add it again. This is something people have been throwing around as a rumor since 2015 yet in all the controversy no reliable sources have shown up to support it. If this was real the creators would have announced it. Ranze (talk) 07:27, 7 September 2016 (UTC)