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Lab Rats vs. Mighty Med

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This is interesting. Netflix has the two parts of "Lab Rats. vs Mighty Med" separated, and the credits for the second part of the two-part version are:

Special guest stars: Billy Unger as Chase, Spencer Boldman as Adam, Kelli Berglund as Bree, Tyrel Jackson Williams as Leo
Guest stars: Carlos Lacámara as Horace, Damion Poitier as Incapacitator

I'm not really sure which one we should be using. Probably the combined episode as is usual for two-part episodes, though this is a little more complicated as the first part counts as a Lab Rats episode and the second part counts as a Mighty Med episode. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Nyuszika7H: I've noticed that Netflix splits most (which really means all that I have checked) of the combined and extended episodes that were shown on broadcast TV, and sold on iTunes and Amazon. This case is an example of what looks to be normal for Netflix on other shows and other special episodes. I guess it gets down to what we are documenting in these articles. The article lead says it is about a Disney XD original series originally broadcast on Disney XD and credits and other info should reflect what was there in that original broadcast. Streaming is the secondary market much like syndication. If we stick to the product as originally broadcast, what we have in the articles now is correct. The Netflix version is a modification for their outlet and looks to be getting a different product from the distributor. If Netflix were the original outlet we would need to go with what they did. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:07, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Geraldo Perez: Thought so, thanks for the reply. And yeah, that's why I had to get the double episodes from other sources to get the guest star listings right. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's always been pretty obvious that most of the 1-hour "crossover" episodes are actually one episode from each show combined together. For example, it's always been clear to me that the Austin & Ally–Jessie New Year's Eve crossover is an Austin & Ally episode (first) combined with a Jessie episode (second). I'd imagine it's pretty rare for one of these "crossovers" to count for just "one" (or both!) show(s) – one of the few that I can think of is "iParty with Victorious" which is pretty clearly an iCarly episode rather than a "mashup" of episodes of the two shows... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:34, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They were likely conceived as a unified concept but created by letting each production team do the portions that emphasized their show and then combined for final presentation. No other way to really do it given people, budgets and existing production processes. The creation process does show in the finished product. Netflix gets the parts before the final merger. The other changes that show more then just airing two related crossovers back-to-back is the combined opening and closing credits and lack of special guest star credits on the combined episode for the cross-over cast. These types of combined specials are not that common. "iParty with Victorious" is pretty much the norm for a crossover with special guest stars from the other show and it is considered an episode of only the host show. Other shows do do related crossovers but show each part separately in the show's normal slot and each part has the normal show credits and other show's crossover cast as special guest stars. Sometimes annoying on Netflix as they may stream only one of the two shows and can't see the payoff for the setup of the episode in the show they do stream. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So I just checked, and the actual writing credits for "Lab Rats vs. Mighty Med" are:

Lab Rats – Written by: Mark Brazill

Mighty Med – Teleplay by: Vincent Brown, Story by: Clayton Sakoda & Ian Weinreich

I'm thinking we should list those properly. The question is, do we want to list writing credits for both parts with a horizontal separator line or something (which could be potentially confusing), or just list the writing credits for the Mighty Med part of the episode, like the production code? I'd go with the latter option

Also – this part goes for other articles too – I think we should really just document the writing credits properly, including he "&" / "and" distinction, for one to avoid debates, and also even though most of the time it's just "A & B", but there are more interesting cases like one episode of Girl Meets World where the credits say "Written by A & B and C & D". The writer pairs are even more significant there. We can still add line breaks or something if necessary to reduce the column width. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this will cause some complications. It'll mean at, say, the Lab Rats episode list, we list "Part 1" there, but then we'll need to include a Note and a wikilink to "Part 2" which will separately be at the Mighty Med episodes page. Also, before doing it, I'd double check at the U.S. Copyright Office (USCO) database that these episodes are listed separately. But, IIRC, when I checked (I think it was) "The Haunted Thundermans" crossover, they were listed as two separate entries at the USCO database. So, in situations like that, I think they probably need to be listed as separate episodes, at the applicable show's episode list. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@IJBall: Yeah, I was going to suggest that too. I can't seem to find the Lab Rats part, but I found the Mighty Med part, confirming it's separate. Not sure what to do with the starring cast list though, as the Mighty Med cast is only credited in the second part but also appear in the first part, but they are not "special guest stars" in the originally released combined episode. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@IJBall and Nyuszika7H: I think we should stick with what was broadcast, is being sold on iTunes and Amazon, and what is documented in the article currently. We should probably note in the episode summaries in each list article that some outlets show the episode as two separate parts. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Geraldo Perez: What about the writing credits then? The way they are currently listed mixes them with no distinction. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That is a problem with using fixed forms. We could either leave it as is or put the separate writing credits, as credited, in the summary along with the cast credits that are also special for this. Or could break apart the table entry with part 1, part 2 in front of the writers. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also starring: Augie Isaac as Gus

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I haven't seen this in the episodes I checked. Maybe I missed something. 72.79.5.190 is insistent and others disagree. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I checked "Atomic Blast from the Past" and "Also starring Augie Isaac" with no "as Gus" was at 3m16s just after the creator credits at 3m02s and just before the executive producer credit at 3m21s. I would class that as in the opening credits just as the creator and executive producer credit are considered part of the opening credits and it looks like that is when he started to get main cast billing. As part of the opening credits I don't think it should be listed in the episode summaries. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:56, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I notice 72.79.5.190 is still insistent on his version. IP geo locates to a US location so assume lack of interest in collaboration, not lack of English communication skills as reason. Anyway, I think it would be helpful to identify which production code he was added to the opening credits and note that information in the intro to the season section where this happens to reduce the desire to document it in each episode summary. I checked one ep. I don't have an easy ability to verify when the change happened or consistency. Probably should be noted in the cast section of the main article as well when the change occurred from recurring to main cast. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:56, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This edit added "While Augie Issac becomes listed as a main cast member later in the season, he is a (recurring) guest star for seventeen episodes" which I think is a start but not sufficient as is. Needs the details of which episode was last recurring and which episode added to main cast. Since some of the edits by 72.79.5.190 are adding credit info (here and in other articles) that conflicts with the credits as shown in the episodes themselves, I suspect some undisclosed source of info that is not the episode credits so consider all edits added without any reference without a verifiable source as dubious as it is demonstratively unreliable. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Geraldo Perez: I haven't checked that for this show, but in Girl Meets World season 1, Corey Fogelmanis randomly alternates between guest starring and also starring due to Disney airing episodes out of production order. Though since we have the production codes, we can use those when mentioning when someone was added to main cast, I guess. I think it's fine to list "Also starring" in the episode summaries if it's not a consistent thing for the whole season, though (in which case they would usually be added to the opening sequence anyway). nyuszika7h (talk) 19:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyuszika7H: If there is not a consistent starting point based on episode airing order, we probably should list his credit for the whole season in the episode summary as either "Also starring Augie Isaac" (with no "as Gus" as that is not in that credit) or "Guest starring: Augie Isaac as Gus" when appropriate even though the "also starring" credit shows up in the beginning of the episode credit sequence when there. I mistrust 72.79.5.190 because of errors in other credits he added or modified as I stated above so doubt he has actually watched the episodes and is getting credit info from some other unnamed source. I would like to see the info from someone who is willing to actually watch the episodes and get the info from that source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Geraldo Perez: I'll check them later. About "as Gus", I don't mind if we don't include it, though normal starring cast don't have character names listed in the opening either. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:05, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Season One, Episode 3 "I, Normo"

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Amaury, the edit that you are making leaves out the reason why he lied. I don't see a grammar error and we must all guard against change for the sake of change. Thanks, Bobdog54 (talk) 16:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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