Talk:List of Lost Girl episodes

I apologize for my editing mistakes

Sorry all for making a mess of the table for a while. Thank you Gridlock Joe for the assistance! TeraSuccubi (talk) 03:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits, please cite reliable sources for upcoming episodes. Only episodes that have aired can be used as primary sources. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 07:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

DarkProdigy beat me to the references, one of those is the twitter account of the show runner who announced the upcoming episode titles. Is that a good source or not? TeraSuccubi (talk) 13:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Should be fine, is the account verified? _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 14:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

It is not a Twitter Verified Account. I will endeavour to locate the page where I found the reference which I believe was on the Prodigy Pictures website. TeraSuccubi (talk) 17:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Question about Episode 8

It is acceptable to note in the episode summary that this is in fact the first episode filmed and was used to sell the series to Showcase? TeraSuccubi (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I know I've seen those kinds of notations on other shows but I'm not sure that there isn't a better way to do it by MOS standards. I don't see anything in the MOS that gets to that specifically though so I'd personally be fine with it. It will need a source though. And also, thanks for that info... interesting tidbit. :D Millahnna (talk) 03:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The episode summary is for the summary, additional information like this shouldn't be placed in it. But it is an interesting fact, so with sources it would be fine in #Development and production on the main article. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 08:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Well the information is from Michelle Loveretta on the Showcase Podcast, third episode, I have no idea how to connect that as a proper link however. If you check on iTunes for it, it is there and she talks about it in her interview. Thank you for the thoughts! TeraSuccubi (talk) 12:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

This is the url: http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheShowcaseShowcast. (For future use, right-click the podcast and click "Copy Podcast URL" in iTunes.) _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 15:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, so added to the main article as such! TeraSuccubi (talk) 21:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ciara/Keira spelling

The character's name is spelled "Ciara" on screen in the episode "Original Skin" where Trick is handing out nametags. It's roughly 20:27 into the episode. -- Gridlock Joe (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Series 3

Via the Syfy Igniters website (which has been confirmed to be operated by syfy) it says the dates for series 3 in the United States;

Premiere: 14 January, 2013 - No. of episodes: 22

However, to be able access them you must first enter in "your" email (you could just put a@a.com), but would this be allowed here? G.Light (talk) 03:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Not sure I would trust that as Showcase has only confirmed 13 episodes for Season Three TeraSuccubi (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

gender of the warden in s03e01

There's been some disagreement in the edits about the gender of the warden in the first episode of season 3. She presents as a woman for the entire episode and screams "I'm one of you!" (referring to the all-female amazons) three times at the end, so I think it's clear that she's a woman. The other characters misgender her at the end and apparently she was assigned male at birth, so I think it's also clear that she's transgender. The argument against these things appears to be that the other characters repeatedly misgender her at the end, but this does not establish her as a man.

According to MOS:IDENTITY:

"Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the gendered nouns (for example "man/woman", "waiter/waitress", "chairman/chairwoman"), pronouns, and possessive adjectives that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification."

As I mentioned above, the warden self-identifies as a woman; therefore, the article should refer to her as such.

Zsparks (talk) 21:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

"She" is a man disguised as a woman for the purpose of impregnating women in a women's prison so he can sell their babies. While she does scream "I'm one of you" at the end, Bo refers to her frequently as a man and this is recognised by the Amazon guards, one of whom grabs his groin to confirm he is male. The screams of "I'm one of you" is to avoid the fate awaiting him as the result of being exposed as a man by the Amazons. MOS:IDENTITY isn't really aimed at fictional characters, which don't always obey real world paradigms. The fact that they're all Fae is a good example of how these characters fall into that category. Importantly, multiple third party sources identify the warden as a man.[1][2][3] --AussieLegend (✉) 08:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely! She is in fact a he! His motives being to impregnate the women in the prison. The fact that he disguises himself as a woman doesn't make him trans gender. MisterShiney ✉ 10:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

There are also plenty of sources that identify the character as a woman, if that's the metric we're going to use here: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] The producers of the show say the character wasn't intended to be a trans woman, but that doesn't mean that they didn't write a trans woman by accident. At the very least, I think the character should be referred to with neutral pronouns and the wording should be changed to say that they're revealed to have been assigned male at birth or something, but even that seems unreasonable (if less so). If there were a character who was obviously a cis man, but was constantly referred to derisively with feminine names and pronouns by other characters and even the writers of the show, there would be no doubt that he would still be called a man on the relevant pages here. The warden was not a nice character, but she clearly identifies as (and therefore is) a woman, and should be referred to as such, authorial intent and poor writing notwithstanding. We can speculate all we want about whether or not she was lying about anything, but according to her words and actions that actually appear in the episode, she is a woman. Zsparks (talk) 04:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

The idea of applying the identity clause of the manual of style to a fictional shape-shifting villian is more than a little absurd. Anyone actually read the statement from Prodigy Pictures? "...The Warden in the premiere of Season 3 is a character based off the mythological shapeshifter known as the Liderc. The Warden was only intended to represent this mythic being. We did not intend this character to be seen as a transgender person..." Do fictional shape-shifting beings even have a native gender? Or by being a shape-shifting being do they lack what we think of as a gender. If shape-shifting beings actually existed this might be of some worth pursuing. By pursuing an admitted unintentional inference as though it is intentional this is all built upon a false premise and really is going nowhere. Yes, people who saw the transgender similarity would find it really offensive. Those who saw the deceptive, vile shape-shifter trying to do anything to avoid the punishment that was coming would be less likely to be offended by the episode. How about the implication that transgender people go around raping anyone they can? That to me seems the most vile of them all but not many people pick up on that sub-subtext but they do sympathise with a shape-shifting rapist. Priorities askew? Methinks so. What about The Warden's mother being an Amazon and The Warden's father being a shape-shifter? If people want to make a mountain out of an ant hill this is something it should be pretty easy to do it with and that does appear to be what is happening. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 08:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Four of the five links provided by Zsparks are to gay and lesbian websites, which have to be regarded as biased when regarding the terminology used. Only the last is not, and uses "she" although, as pointed out "the producers of the show say the character wasn't intended to be a trans woman". Whether or not they created one "by accident" is irrelevant, it's a clear indication and the belief that the character was transgender is a subjective assessment, which has no place here. --AussieLegend (✉) 13:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

July 2013

• Viewership totals for individual episodes need the source of data.

• All the Bill Brioux ("The Brioux Report" @ Toronto Star) links have expired – they need to be updated or deleted.

Pyxis Solitary (talk) 14:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The correct procedure is to tag dead references with {{dead link}}, not to delete them. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, AussieLegend. :-)

What is done re episode viewership totals than cannot be confirmed? Pyxis Solitary (talk) 20:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's going to be a problem. The first step is to check archive.org and I suspect that, having just fixed 6 dead links,[9] you won't have any problem fixing the rest. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

"you won't have any problem fixing the rest". Oy vey! (ya grow up in the quaint little village of Manhattan, ya pick up the lingo.) :-D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyxis Solitary (talk • contribs) 06:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixed 7 dead links. All "Brioux" links are now redirected to their archive. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 10:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

re: Series overview

I’d like to propose an edit:

In the *Series overview* info box the renewal of seasons 3 & 4, and their start dates, have been referenced with links regarding information that already appears in the text of the article about announcements of renewal and start dates.

The <refs> for the DVD release dates make sense because the subject of home media is separate from the purpose of the article (and it’s dealt with in detail within the Lost Girl main page).

Besides reducing overkill, wouldn't it be a better idea to keep the Series overview info box uncluttered, and remove the season renewal & start date <refs> from it?

Pyxis Solitary (talk) 13:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

It's fairly common to remove refs for season start and finish dates once those dates have passed. I usually add a "General references" section pointing to known, reliable episode guides (see this example) for the benefit of readers who may come along at a later date and want to verify such dates, as well as episode counts, individual episode information etc. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:01, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, AL. I made the edit (but not before checking against the info boxes for Nikita, The Listener, Rookie Blue, Continuum). I also trimmed some of the wordiness I'd added for Season 1 and Season 2 to make the info concise and to the point. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 22:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

October 2013

Line Color syntax not working on Season Four

|LineColor = #cc0000 is included in all 13 sections.

Should have appeared after 49 (4.01) and 50 (4.02) but didn't.

Season 4 (2013) episode synopsis

The references attributed to the episode synopses in *Season 4 (2013)* are incorrect: a b "Lost Girl - Episode Guide - Zap2it". Zap2it. Retrieved November 8, 2013.

I did not get them from the Zap2it website. In fact, if you check the website's synopsis for ep 1 (In Memoriam) you will see that the Zap2it site has not updated it. I will try to locate the correct website where the updated synopses appear and I know who DarkProdigy is, but when DarkProdigy contributes a reference it needs to be the actual source of the information. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. I didn't change the reference for ep 1. The reference is for the titles, which haven't changed. Clicking on the episodes on Zap2it, the descriptions read similarly, with ep 3's apparently having been copy/pasted from the same source. DarkProdigy (talk) 07:07, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I should have been clearer. What I meant is that if you check what Zap2it has for 401 with the synopsis I added to the article, you can see that the synopsis I posted is the updated version. Which means that Zap2it is not the best source for them. The synopses comes from TVGuide -- not Zap2it. Since I'm the user who added the synopses, I will change the references to the correct source I got them from. (Zap2it might have caught up with TVGuide by now, but as the saying goes: "you snooze, you lose." And they snoozed.) Pyxis Solitary (talk) 08:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Malicious edits by ignorant anon

Someone has been accessing the Lost Girl main article and now this article with proxy IP addresses. The person is fixated on changing the dates of announcements regarding Season 4, whether it's within the narrative of the article or the content of the reference (date of announcement, date of publication), this person is obsessed about the dates and fixated on being stupid. It is time consuming, but each proxy IP address used by the anon needs to be blocked. Big question: why is Wikipedia allowing access with proxy IP addresses? It's not impossible for a server to detect a proxy if it's set-up to do it. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 12:53, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: total of words for summaries

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:TV

"As a rough guide, summaries for episode articles should be about 200 to 500 words. Complicated plots may take more space to present than simpler plots....

...there are a couple of ways to present plot information: in a basic prose section that gives season story arcs and main plot points or a tabular format that sections off each individual episode with its own brief plot section (approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines)." Pyxis Solitary (talk) 02:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Please note that the first part of what you've quoted refers to episode articles, i.e. articles for individual episodes. Comparing the examples that are given in WP:TVPLOT, you'll see that "Confirmed Dead" is an episode article and has a long plot summary, while Smallville (season 1) has relatively short summaries. These are both featured articles/lists and the episode lengths are based on numerous discussions at FA and FL nominations. We've discussed this at WT:TV and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television and 100-200 words is the recommendation for episode list articles. This is reflected in the instructions for {{Episode list}}, which says that |ShortSummary= should be "a short 100–200 word summary of the episode". --AussieLegend (✉) 03:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Then what's the point of including in MOS:TV a synopsis guideline that states: "individual episode with its own brief plot section (approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines)"? Those of us who don't engage in Wikipedia meetings but contribute mightily to Wikipedia are left to decipher Wikipedia instructions and figure out what is or isn't being stated between the lines. My stepfather had a favorite saying: "piss or get off the pot." Wikipedia do's and dont's are becoming balderdash and the antithesis of invitations to contribute to articles such at this one. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 05:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

The MOS was written some time ago. The 350 word figure was added in 2010 and there is the occasional case where a plot summary might warrant a 350 word summary. The MOS is just catering for every eventuality. There's no need to engage in Wikipedia "meetings", as the template instructions are clear; 100-200 words. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Changing background and line colors of Season 1, 2, 3, 4

Is there any particular reason why the color code for each season was changed? Since when does one editor have the right to change the color scheme that existed before he/she stepped into the article? Who gets to decide that one editor's preferred shades of Aqua and Sand are more acceptable than the Burnt Orange (Season 1), Purple (Season 2), Royal Blue (Season 3), Red (Season 4) colors that originally existed? There is arrogance happening here that needs to be addressed as it affects the community of Lost Girl editors. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 12:41, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

When we create episode lists the colours are completely optional and they're usually arbitrarily chosen on what editors think look the best. Many editors get this wrong and choose poor contrast colours or bright, almost flourescent colours that overwhelm the reader. There's no set formula or guideline on what colours to choose. When season articles are created, as has happened recently, the colours are normally copied in the season articles. However, when DVD or Blu-ray over art is added to the season articles' infoboxes, it's customary to change the colours to match the colours used by the cover art. However, the cover art uses the same colours for each season and the editor who chose the colours hasn't seen fit to explain why he chose the colours, or why he didn't change the series overview table to match the new colours. --AussieLegend (✉) 13:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I saw that you changed the colors back to the originals. I expect the colors to be changed again. However, I think that whatever color scheme becomes final, it should match the colors used by the TV show's production company for the series' logo title, in this article and the episodes articles created for each season. The show's facebook page and Prodigy Picture's website is currently using a black-n-white color scheme. Other logo title color schemes have been a combination of white+light blue against a black background. The logo title color scheme used for Lost Girl specials (e.g. Lost Girl ConFaedential) has been a white+greenish color against a black background. If you look at the show's "Everyone Has Vampires. We've Got A Succubus." poster, the color scheme is green+some white+black (you can see the poster here: http://lostgirl.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Girl_Wiki:About). IMO, the green+some white against a black or almost-black navy blue background comes closest to the colors used by Lost Girl. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 11:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Spelled out season numbers

Per usage by production company, per usage in Main Article, and per display below show title in front covers of DVDs and Blu-rays: the numbers of seasons are spelled out. I have spelled them out in this article and the articles for individual seasons, but I am unable to correct the title of the articles themselves to reflect this. Lost Girl (season 1) needs to be changed to "Lost Girl (Season One)", Lost Girl (season 2) needs to be changed to "Lost Girl (Season Two)", Lost Girl (season 3) needs to be changed to "Lost Girl (Season Three)", Lost Girl (season 4) needs to be changed to "Lost Girl (Season Four)". Pyxis Solitary (talk) 06:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The convention is to use numbers for the article titles and "season" is not a proper noun so it should be in lower case. The same is true for the season numbers (one, two, three and four). Even if the articles are moved, the changes within the articles should have been carried out after moving the articles. Your changes today broke numerous links that have had to be fixed. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Car Wash webisode

I just got finished checking sources for the 4 "season 3.5" webisodes and noticed another one which I'm not sure if we mention:

http://www.showcase.ca/lostgirl/video/season+4/car+wash/video.html?v=78476355714&p=1&s=da#lostgirl/video/season+4

It's shorter than the others, almost like just a really long commercial, is it worth pointing out? I haven't seen s3.5 or s4 yet so I'm not sure if it is unique footage or if it is simply clips from other episodes. Ranze (talk) 01:19, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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