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Requested move 21 July 2024

There was an WP:AVALANCHE against moving. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign endorsements → List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign primary endorsements – Following the format followed in List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign primary endorsements and the fact that she has still be declared as the primary democratic party candidate, until then, the article should be renamed to primary endorsement. Xoocit (talk) 08:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I was going off this from the Guardian, which describes a primary as an (unlikely) possibility - presumably this regards the blitz primary option. But at any rate, that's not happening unless we know it's happening. U-Mos (talk) 14:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Speedy Close Primaries are over at the Democratic Party, and those are definitely for her presidential campaign. Bohbye (talk) 14:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Speedy Close You're mistaken, she's not participating in a primary. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 14:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose She's not participating in a primary ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose since primary season is done and all delegates to the convention have been chosen. Woko Sapien (talk) 13:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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I see a few red links under Political organizations.

Should non-notable organizations be included? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

If they are red links usually they are not notable. I would say to be removed. Bohbye (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

AfD nonsense

Maybe List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign endorsements should be nominated as well for good measure. Bohbye (talk) 17:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Related: new WikiProject

--Another Believer (Talk) 15:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

HRC

The Human Rights Campaign endorsed her, too. https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/human-rights-campaign-joins-president-biden-in-endorsing-kamala-harris-for-president GamerKlim9716 (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

WaPo Endorsement Tracker

Washington Post released a live endorsement tracker of all the congressional Democrats as well as Gubernatorial Democrats that are backing Harris

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2024/kamala-harris-endorsements/ Flames675 (talk) 02:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

State delegate endorsements

Many Democratic elected officials, current and former, are delegates to the DNC. Since Al Gore is a delegate to the DNC this year, and Tennessee's delegates unanimously voted to back Harris, should he be counted as an endorsement on this page? LV ✉ ✎ 03:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Bohbye (talk) 03:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Not sure how to add but United Farm Workers Endorsed cited below

United Farm Workers Endorsed https://ufw.org/harrisendorsement7212024/ Bleach143 (talk) 03:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Texas House Dems

The citation is broken. Olive11224 (talk) 01:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Pictures?

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I understand this is a list of endorsements. Does it really need all the head shots though? The names and relevant offices seem like they would be sufficient. 168.91.231.79 (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I was just coming to start a similar discussion. I don't think the photos are necessary at all and would support removal. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Additionally, there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to which portraits are included and which are not. I also support removal. Flames675 (talk) 18:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't think the headshots are needed either. I also support removal.David O. Johnson (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@Hafizh Iskandar please read this thread before re-adding headshots. Thank you! Flames675 (talk) 03:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign endorsements and List of Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign primary endorsements Hafizh Iskandar (talk) 03:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Consensus here is not to include images. Do not keep adding them because other pages have images. Stop it. Bohbye (talk) 03:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
(Personal attack removed) Hafizh Iskandar (talk) 03:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done The images have been removed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Let's do what we did for the Biden and Trump pages and put notable headshots on the side ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 19:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks to the editor that removed them, and it should stay that way. Bohbye (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add columns to endorsement sub-areas

Some parts of the list are way too long right now. I suggest adding columns to narrow down the amount of space each sub-section uses. An example being the U.S. Representatives section (200 something is a lot). What do y’all think? Mattsyman (talk) 19:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

State Representative and Senator endorsements

Should we sort the state representative and state senator endorsements by state? I think it'd be more easier to navigate instead of having state reps from Michigan, Tennessee, and Ohio all shuffled into one list. HurricaneKappa (talk) 03:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Support ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose The entire page is alphabetized by name. - Bohbye (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Pictures

The previous discussion on this topic resulted in removal of headshots despite minimal participation. Every other endorsement article for 2024 and previous elections contains a limited amount of headshots of the most notable figures along the margins of the article, and there is no reason to not include them for this article as well. Providing headshots also gives viewers a visual snapshot of the endorsements that is much easier to read than the lengthy text list. We should probably come up with some sort of consensus on which individuals should receive headshots, but I see no reason to exclude them and am proposing that they are re-added. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

In my experience, adding headshots to these sections takes up too much space, especially on mobile, and often results in scrolling several times before actually getting to the content. I don't see how making any sort of arbitrary cutoff is useful or necessary as it inadvertently creates a bias to the reader that only those who have their headshots are actually important, leading to questions as to why we have the others listed. Also I don't see any agreement happening to make a cutoff possible in the first place, as I don't know what would possibly be a good enough line to cut it off that wouldn't involve adding them all anyways.
Furthermore, I don't at all agree to these continuity between pages arguments. Yes, obviously we want to have somewhat the same format, but every page is different and attempting to fit every single endorsement page into the same mold is unrealistic and absurd. Going off of your argument, however, I don't see a mutual cutoff point between other endorsement pages or even what sections they do include pictures for, so we wouldn't be able to judge one based off of them, further adding to the differences between them. Flames675 (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
On this page consensus is not to include them. Not all pages are the same as others. Once you add pictures there is no clear limit and the entire page becomes impossible to read especially on mobile. Bohbye (talk) 01:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Confused about citation practices

Why is Twitter dispreferred as a source for someone's endorsement? The other sources given mostly either cite Twitter in turn, or don't cite anything at all. Olive11224 (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey! It's mostly to follow WP:Endorse criteria for citation sources. You can read more about it in that article! Flames675 (talk) 20:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
I don’t understand this. It gives an unjustified veneer of credibility.
Olive11224 (talk) 03:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Climate/environmentalists

This Google doc letter described and linked to in this Washington Post article has the names of environmentalists who have endorsed Harris. I added several. Feel free to continue (there are a lot). TJMSmith (talk) 04:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

added 7 more and I (believe) finished up the list of former government employees (unless there's any in the table). I'll probably do more tomorrow but it's 1 am here lol. Flames675 (talk) 05:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Non-headshot pictures?

I know the consensus was against including headshots in these articles but I feel like there are other images which could add more to an article, especially those of the candidate with the endorser. For example, a photo of Harris speaking at a Jewish Democratic Council of America event or any of the various photos of her with politicians and other people who have endorsed her could be worth adding. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 15:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Please don't add a Republican section

1. Most of the politicians are already listed in the appropriate existing subsection so it creates unnecessary duplication. 2. I have not seen any comparable pages on past or current election campaign pages for any candidate, let alone presidential pages. 3. Its a big disruption and overall clunky to the page as a whole, as it takes a wide variety of people and occupations and forces it into one sub-section (which for some reason was plopped in the party official section, I don't know why it was placed there, let alone anywhere) Flames675 (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Does this Manchin statement count as a campaign endorsement?

[1] D4R1U5 (talk) 19:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

White Dudes for Harris

Should this group be counted as a political organisation (which we know endorses Harris)? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I would say no as it does not have a Wikipedia page Flames675 (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I've just created a stub for White Dudes for Harris ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! You could also make a stub for Comics for Harris, but dw as I get it’s a lot of effort. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Whoopi Goldberg

She apparently featured at the Comics for Harris call, so should I put this down as an endorsement. I haven’t been able to find a proper statement. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 20:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Cats

I know it’s a joke but Nation’s Cats Endorse Walz. Bearian (talk) 22:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Odd Grouping of Activists, academic and other figures

Activists, academic and other figures is an unusual grouping and they ought to separated into at least two groups because academics and activists are two very different roles in society. Munci (talk) 17:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Bernie Sanders?

Per the cited source, Sanders has said that he's "sure that [he] will" endorse Harris, but still has his reservations. Should this still be counted as an endorsement? Loytra (talk) 08:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Clearly not, especially as the source was misattributed in the citation. Removed now. U-Mos (talk) 10:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Someone just added him again, when he clearly said he is not endorsing just yet. He is campaigning for her but still not endorsing. Stop adding false info. Bohbye (talk) 01:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Well, Manchin also endorsed the Harris-Walz ticket and a so-called "Criminals for Harris" ad is not an endorsement of her from Trump. Shame on Trump-Vance. 174.235.80.88 (talk) 09:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Time to categorize Notable individuals

It becoming a mess, and should be categorized to activists, entertainers, international, etc. Bohbye (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

If the list gets super long, we should consider how things are organized for Hillary Clinton:
So:
Not suggesting any forks now, just noting a precedent (or suggesting possible subsection headings for this list). ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
For now it will be enough to use the same naming but within this list without a fork. Bohbye (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Absolutely do not split the article at any point. Four separate, mostly social media-referenced articles (see WP:PSTS, WP:SOCIALMEDIA) for one candidate's endorsements is the most blatant example of WP:TRIVIA imaginable. U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
We've been avoiding a split, but this list is approaching has exceeded 500 citations... ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Update: 600 citations ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
No need to split. DT page has almost 900 citations and it loads fine. i just think this page needs a major diet when it comes to text for each person endorsing. DT page is well managed as an example. Bohbye (talk) 00:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Update: 800+ citations ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

We're approaching 1,000 citations. Time for a split? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Anna Wintour

Can we add her? She’s hosting a fundraiser close to Labor Day, but I don’t think there is a published endorsement statement… Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:38, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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