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A Very Special Wikipedia Article

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Those of you who regularly surf the film list area of wikipedia are probalby familier with me by now. They might have guessed by interest in all things relating to the Second World War. Though I had had this list in mind for a while, I mad the decsion to create it very recently. I was reading the comments on Youtube for a video on the Holocaust here and I couldn't help but notice the prevalence of Holocaust revisionism, and relativism I found. Often occuring in the discussion, and on other anti-Semitic website, is the canard that the Holocaust is used by "Jewish Hollywood" to generate sympathy and support for the state of Israel. A passing look at the number and providence of Holocaust films made in the first 15 years after the fact should help dispel that myth, at least to my mind.--Dudeman5685 21:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, Dudeman5685. It's important to remember that victims of "The Holocaust" not only includes Jews, but also gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, intellectuals, etc. One need only to look at the list of Nazi concentration camp badges to appreciate this. Meanwhile, I thought I'd work on providing references, as the talk bar at the top of the article suggests. Sdsures (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "a" is necessary

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I use it to avoid re-directs to the highest column. Hence, without them, if you edit the 200s section for documentaries, you are re-directed to 2000s features after an edit.--Dudeman5685 19:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "a" isn't necessary; it just makes it easier to edit. Article pages should be designed for the readers, not the editors. Most people, myself included, would be confused by the a in the section headers. They should be removed. --dm (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support Dudeman5685 since he did the actual work.
But to distinguish headings which read the same and have this problem, you can hide something in the heading to make it unique.
I use a non-breaking space.
Varlaam (talk) 23:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Dictator

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I've removed the following

Year Country Title Director Notes
1938  United States The Great Dictator Charles Chapin Shows Persecution in the ghettos and unknowingly predicts the holocaust

which was in a new section, the 1930s. Firstly, the film was made in 1940, so should be in the 1940s section if anywhere. Secondly, it doesn't deal specifically with the Holocaust, which was unknown at the time of its filming. What do other ppl think? Stick it in the 40s section, or leave it out altogether? Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 15:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I say leave it out; when it was made the Final Solution hadn't even officialy begun yet. I'm glad more people are responding to this, and there is more discussion than the inane grammatical controversy above. I hoped it would fill a need. Looks like the hours of work I put into it have paid off.--Dudeman5685 04:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the great dictator must remain, but in the 40s section. In fact, is the first movie about the nazi regime theme, and with a critical view about Hitler. The "Final Solution" hadn't start yet, but the regime started in 1933, and it is remarkable that the USA only joined the war in 1940. In fact, the world war II started because of other reasons, not only the holocaust, but Charlie Chaplin focused on this theme at the same time many people and leaders in the world were yet tolerating.

The notations above of The Great Dictator is probably enough for the film, but I would like to make the following points with respect to its inclusion/removal:

1) It was made and released during the time period specified on the main page (1938-1945) 2) It is included in academic and cinematic material as an important film shaping public perception of the persecution of Jewish people in Europe, and reflects state response to that date to the Jewish Question. 3) It could not take the Final Solution (meaning gas as a means of execution)as its subject matter not because the holocaust had not happened, but because it was underway. The ghettos and camps depicted were the collection stage prerequisite to systematic execution. Hitler said that he would annihilate Jews in 1939. They knew that they were going to execute them all, they just didn't know how. 4) It problematizes the list, opens the flood gates for a number of other spoofs around that time, and allied propaganda, both of which probably are not in keeping with the spirit of the list. However, it does not appear in lists of propaganda or other films that I can find in Wikipedia. Perhaps TGD stands alone. --Ryanndc (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Book resources

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I've just found a reference to a book which might be handy for anyone researching for this article, although it's a bit dated: I. Avisar, Screening the Holocaust: Cinema's Image of the Unimaginable, Bloomington, Indiana University Press, 1988. HTH, Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 15:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! This is just the sort of thing I was looking for in helping to put in references. Are website references allowed, or only books?Sdsures (talk) 14:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additions

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I didn't see the 1980's miniseries "WINDS OF WAR" on the list.

I didn't see http://imdb.com/title/tt0048434/ either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.20.200 (talk) 01:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No answer regarding Winds of War... but Nuit et bruillard is indeed on the list. Pinkville (talk) 03:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Life is beautiful is another addition that was nominated for several award and won the foreign language award i was very suprised not to see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.123.83 (talk) 01:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, someone needs to add Life is Beautiful (1999) - an excellent Holocaust film set in a concentration camp. 172.83.48.251 (talk) 23:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust or Shoah ?

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It's not the same thing ! Shoah is the term chosen by historians rather than Holocaust.

Indeed Holocaust means a "voluntary sacrifice", which does not correspond to the massacre (Shoah) was perpetrated by the Nazis.

Talking just is an aid to understanding just things.

JeanClem --91.164.102.110 (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Holocaust" is the term used elsewhere on this site, e.g. The Holocaust; this section should follow that usage.

So, if there are movies about the Porajmos, that will have a separate wiki page, as the Holocaust does?Sdsures (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More films

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Cavani's Il Portiere di notte (The Night Porter) isn't included - I'm not sure if it counts as it's set some time after the war despite centring on events in a concentration camp (I assume bad taste isn't sufficient reason to leave it out). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071910/

I've not seen Robert Young's 2007 drama Eichmann which probably belongs here too http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901481/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.172.19.20 (talk) 17:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about Roman Polanski's film The Pianist starring Adrien Brody (2002) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253474/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.156.80.3 (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The war film "Big Red One" had a scene in a Nazi death camp. Would that fit here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.148.235.6 (talk) 18:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Rather not. The "Big Red One" liberated a subcamp of a concentration camp. No US unit liberated a death camp. Xx236 (talk) 10:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Black Book (Zwartboek) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_(film) should be in this list. It is about a Jewish woman who becomes a spy for the allies in the Netherlands. Although not directly about the Holocaust, Holocaust themes are central plot elements. This includes a massacre of fleeing Jews and subsequent events in the Dutch resistance relating to Jews. The subsequent events include betrayal of Jews, murder of Jews and looting of Jewish wealth. The Holocaust themes are crucial to plot development and principal character motivation and development. For these reasons, I believe this film should get serious consideration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lind j a (talk • contribs) 15:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you considered Aimée & Jaguar (1998). The film is based on the the work of a holocaust researcher, Charles Brady, who collected photographs, letters and interviews about Jewish women hiding in Berlin during WWII. The main character is a Jewish woman involved in the resistance, who befriends a German mother of four (her husband is at the front). Plot points similar to many other films listed, and adds some new layers of trust/betrayal given the relationship of the women. Easy addition as it is already listed in Wikipedia --Ryanndc (talk) 01:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sophie Scholl – The Final Days

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If Sophie Scholl – The Final Days is about the Holocaust, so probably any movie about the WWII in Europe is about the Holocaust. Either you prove your thesis, or I remove the title from the table. Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Narrative and Documentary films all mixed up

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eg Boy with striped pajamas in doc section--Mongreilf (talk) 01:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say someone got mixed up not realising they were looking at the documentary section and thinking it had to be added. I've removed it and also closed the table properly, as the see also links were appearing inside the table instead of below it. Ralphy512 (talk) 16:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ghetto (2006)

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Dear friends; please take a look at Ghetto (2006), LibraryThing Ghetto by Yehoshua Sobol (otherwise under Joshua Sobol) and de:Ghetto (Film). Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 16:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I Am David (film)

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Does this qualify. It is set after the war and is about a boy's escape from a concentration camp. Ralphy512 (talk) 03:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inglourious Basterds

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Shouldn't Inglourious Basterds appear on this page? The eponymous Basterds are a group of Jewish Americans killing Nazis in Europe during WWII, and Christoph Waltz won the Best Supporting Actor award for his role as an SS colonel hunting Jews. JJP 64.223.191.242 (talk) 19:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary list

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A number of contributors appear not to have been aware of the division between Narrative (fiction) and Documentary, so the 2nd list in fact includes at least some narrative feature films.
Varlaam (talk) 00:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2000s, 2010s

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In attempting to add the new decade heading (2010s), the heading appears immediately ahead of the "2000s" film list, instead of at the beginning of the new section. Sorry, can someone fix this? I'm stumped. Unclemikejb (talk) 21:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some not really Holocaust films in the list

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For example, Idi i smotri is a film about the struggle between the Soviet partisans and the Germans, and Jews are not even mentioned. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 10:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.28.252.86 (talk) 10:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seventeen moments of spring

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What "Seventeen moments of spring" has to do with the Holocaust? Besides professor Pleishner, eccentric scientist (his ethnic background was not mentioned in the film) who was killed in Switzerland because of the political reasons there is no mention of the Jews or the Holocaust in this film whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.28.252.86 (talk) 10:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Holohoax

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there are about 150 movies in there...


that's about 3 movies a year about the same god damn subject — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diefromevileye (talk • contribs) 06:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No one forces you to watch any. Varlaam (talk) 22:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Are there hundreds of movies on Armenian holocaust? Do Ukrainians make a new holodomor movie every year? --Autismal (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary is full of narrative

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I don't remember doing it, but I pointed this out up above 2 years ago.
I have now labelled the documentary sections internally as DOCUMENTARY. Hopefully there will be fewer repetitions.
But someone should start shifting titles upwards.

The list, for example, includes:

Greece        Bent         Sean Mathias

That is fiction, not documentary. It is British, not Greek.
There is a quality control issue over here.

Plus most of these titles are duplicated over at List of World War II films.
Varlaam (talk) 22:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Do over?

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A lot of the entries have errors, wrong release date, misspelled titles, a lot of feature films in the documentary section - just saying ins case someone is interested. I'd call this a stub. Pontiuspilatus (talk) 10:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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