Talk:List of George Franklin Barber works

merger in progress, questions

Hi, I started up what turns out to be a duplicative list of works at George F. Barber, which I see obviously needs to be merged to here. Current version is this. It is pretty well cleaned / verified to include links to NRHP-listed places under the article names for the places that appear in geo-based List articles of NRHP places. Not all are verified to be places associated with George Franklin Barber; there are a few identified as "George Barber" and there are a few others where there may be a typo in the architect name.

One example is Bailey House (Fernandina Beach, Florida) whose NRIS entry gives (Barber,George, & Asso.) as architect. However, Fernandina Beach Historic District's NRIS entry gives (Barber,George W., et al.) as architect (note W. not F. may be a typo). So, what to assume about Israel Platt Pardee Mansion, Hazleton, PA whose NRIS entry credits (Barber, George W.) as architect?

I'd prefer to work forward slowly with the merger, with assistance of editor(s) here, striking out items there as they are verified covered here, then eventually copying over any remaining questions to this Talk page, then redirecting from "George F. Barber" to "George Franklin Barber" when complete.

In the list drafted at George F. Barber, i put in wikilinks for all the NRHP-listed places. Many of these are redlinks. I notice no redlinks in the current "List of George Franklin Barber works" article. How would editors here like to proceed, accepting redlinks here or only wikilinking when there is an article? It would be feasible to create short stub articles for all the NRHP-listed ones quickly, if redlinks are not desired. I would prefer to just include wikilinks that will show as redlinks. --doncram 16:36, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I have moved the page that Doncram describes to User:Doncram/George F. Barber and converted George F. Barber to a redirect pointing to the long-pre-existing article George Franklin Barber. --Orlady (talk) 21:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I am getting edit conflicts here. As SarekOfVulcan and Bms4880 have noticed, I began merging in the information that I had proposed be done by an orderly merger. If an administrator would restore the George F. Barber article with its merger notice I would be happy to proceed from there. However, I am finding it reasonably efficient to proceed with the merger working within this article, with a working section tagged Under Construction, and I will proceed. It shouldn't take long. Please note, some relevant guidelines and policies are wp:ownership and wp:involved and wp:wikihounding, which are relevant if editors continue to try to interfere with normal development of this article.

If owners of this article object to the wikilinking that I am adding, which creates redlinks to NRHP-listed places indexed by geo-based NRHP list-articles, please say so. Note, I did ask politely here how editors would like to proceed, and got no response. --doncram 14:31, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, we kind of figured that we didn't need to say "proceed competently." Our mistake. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

In this edit by Bms4880 i see suggestion that Park City Historic District (Knoxville, Tennessee) is meant to be covered at Parkridge (Knoxville, Tennessee). I set up a redirect. Bms4880, do you want to put some coverage of the Park City Historic District topic in that article? Or, I'll get to it a bit later. --doncram 14:31, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I have a major expansion planned for the Parkridge article. I went ahead and added some tidbits. Bms4880 (talk) 14:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

NRHP search hits

1. G. W. S. Allen House, 207 E. Henry St., Mount Pleasant, IA (Barber,George F., & Co.) NRHP-listed
2. Bailey House, 7th and Ash Sts., Fernandina Beach, FL (Barber,George, & Asso.) NRHP-listed
3. Dr. J. O. and Catherine Ball House, 500 W. Monroe St., Mt. Pleasant, IA (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
4. I. W. P. Buchanan House, 428 W. Main St., Lebanon, TN (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
5. Carey, John T. and Marietta (Greek) House, 1502 1st Ave. N, Denison, IA (Barber, George F. & Co.) NRHP-listed
6. Central Methodist Church (Spartanburg, South Carolina), 233 N. Church St., Spartanburg, SC (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
7. Donnelly House, Donnelly Ave., Mount Dora, FL (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
8. Earl-Rochelle House, 1920 Magnolia St., Texarkana, TX (Barber, George) NRHP-listed
9. Isaac Newton Ellis House, 258 S. Extension St., Hazlehurst, MS (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
10. William Gedamke House, 1304 E. Powell Blvd., Gresham, OR (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
11. Fred Goeller House, 234 Riverside Dr., Klamath Falls, OR (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
12. William W. Gray House, 119 N. Court St., Grayville, IL (Barber,George Franklin) NRHP-listed
13. Robert Lee Hardy House, 207 S. Main St., Monticello, AR (Barber,George Franklin, Co.) NRHP-listed
14. Harvey, John, House, 175 N. Seminary St., Madisonville, KY (Barber,George) NRHP-listed
15. Charles T. Holt House, 228 Holt St., Haw River, NC (Barber,George Franklin) NRHP-listed
16. C. R. Joy House, 816 Grand Ave., Keokuk, IA (Barber, George F., & Company) NRHP-listed
17. J. Nelson Kelly House, 521 S. 5th St., Grand Forks, ND (Barber, George F. & Co.) NRHP-listed
18. William Kerr House, 501 N. Columbia St., Union City, IN (Barber,George F. & Co.) NRHP-listed
19. Lampton-Thompson-Bourne House, 423 Church St., Columbia, MS (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
20. Linsay House, 935 E. College, Iowa City, IA (Barber,George F., & Co.) NRHP-listed
21. Dr. James L. Lovvorn House, 113 E. College St., Bowdon, GA (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
22. Walter Scott Montgomery House, 314 S. Pine St., Spartanburg, SC (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
23. A.E. Moreton Jr. House, 610 S. Jackson St., Brookhaven, MS (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
24. Robert D. Moreton House, 613 S. Jackson St., Brookhaven, MS (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
25. Morgan House, 532 N Walnut St., Bloomington, IN (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
26. John Calvin Owings House, 787 W. Main St., Laurens, SC (Barber,George F. & Co.) NRHP-listed
27. Israel Platt Pardee Mansion, 235 N. Laurel St. and 28 Aspen St., Hazleton, PA (Barber,George W.) NRHP-listed
28. Peters House, 1319 Grainger Ave., Knoxville, TN (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
29. Phillips House, 307 E. 2nd N. St., Morristown, TN (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
30. William Henry Scales House, 1108 Magnolia Dr., Macon, MS (Barber, George) NRHP-listed
31. A. J. Sherwood House, 257 E. Main St., Coquille, OR (Barber,George F., & Co.) NRHP-listed
32. Short-Dodson House, 755 Park Ave., Hot Springs, AR (Barber, George) NRHP-listed
33. Trippet-Shive House, 209 N. Grand, Waxahachie, TX (Barber,George) NRHP-listed
34. Dr. Francis B. Warnock House, 201 Maple St., Battle Creek, IA (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
35. Watkins House, 302 S. Camden St., Richmond, MO (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
36. James Robert Williams House, 310 E. Main St., Carmi, IL (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
37. George F. Winslow House, 210 Oakwood Pl., Eau Claire, WI (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
38. One or more works in the Airview Historic District, 701-720 East Main St. extended, Middletown, MD (Barber, George F. & Co.) NRHP-listed
39. One or more works in the Fourth and Gill Historic District, Roughly bounded by I-40, Broadway, Central and 5th Ave., Knoxville, TN (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
40. One or more works in the Fernandina Beach Historic District, Roughly bounded by N. 9th St., Broome, Ash, S. 5th St., Date, and S. 8th St., Fernandina Beach, FL (Barber,George W., et al.) NRHP-listed
41. One or more works in the Freeman's Grove Historic District, Roughly bounded by Liberty St., Eagle St., Bracewell Ave., and Houghton St., North Adams, MA (Barber,George F.,Co.) NRHP-listed
42. One or more works in the State Street Historic District, Roughly bounded by Chestnut, Jackson, Jefferson, State Sts., North Vernon, IN (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
43. One or more works in the Park City Historic District, Roughly bounded by Washington Ave., Cherry St., Woodbine Ave., Beaman St., Magnolia Ave. and Winona St., Knoxville, TN (Barber,George F.) NRHP-listed
44. One or more works in the Maple Street Historic District, 161--342 Capital Ave., NE, Battle Creek, MI (Barber, Geo. F.) NRHP-listed
45. One or more works in the Richardson Houses Historic District, NW side of Richardson Dr. between Coach Rd. and Woodland Dr., Reidsville, NC (Barber,George E.) NRHP-listed
46. One or more works in the East Church Street-Starling Avenue Historic District, Brown St., E. Church St., Cleveland Ave., Letcher Court, Market St. E, Scuffle Hill, Starling Ave., Martinsville, VA (Barber, George Franklin) NRHP-listed
47. One or more works in the Kingston Avenue Historic District, Roughly along N. Kingston, S. Kingston, and E. Rockwood Aves., Rockwood, TN (Barber, George F.) NRHP-listed
48. One or more works in the Gwyn Avenue-Bridge Street Historic District, Roughly bounded by N. Bridge St., Mill View Rd., Market St. and Church St., Elkin, NC (Barber, George Franklin) NRHP-listed

Edit protected

I know it's going to piss everyone off, but I have edit protected this article for three days. I have no opinion whatsoever on what should be in the content, but the place for working drafts is talkpages or userspace not article space. You don't screw up the article. If you reach an consensus in a shorter period of time, just ask any admin to turn the protection off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elen of the Roads (talk • contribs) 16:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I am unprotecting the article for now. Protection made sense as a way to stop disruptive revert-wars. However, the main participant(s) in revert-warring is/are blocked right now, so no discussion is likely to occur for the next several days. Unprotecting the article will allow users like Bms4880 to continue improving and expanding the article by making uncontentious edits like the ones requested below. --Orlady (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Fine by me - glad it's resolved. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

I need an admin to make the following (non-contentious) edit:

For the last entry, the Lampton-Thompson-Bourne House, add 1907 as the year of completion, "Standing" for its status, ART #552/CS2# 54; NRHP (#98001335) for Other Information, leave the image column blank, and for the reference link to the form at http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/98001335.pdf. Then move the entry to between the Robert Covington House and Raper Building. Thanks. Bms4880 (talk) 17:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I made some of those changes, but I didn't move the entry yet because I don't understand the logic of the list sequence. --Orlady (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

They're in chronological order by year of completion, though some don't fit neatly because we don't know the exact year. The link references the National Register of Historic Places Nomination Form for the Lampton-Thompson-Bourne House, completed by Joan Embree, 28 February 1998. Bms4880 (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

T.W. Fisk House

I can document from Knoxville's 1891/1892 City Directory (microfilm) and the physical 1890 Sanborn Insurance map at McClung Collection that T.W. Fisk House and 800 Deery Street are not the same building, but have absolutely no idea how to go about listing those as sources. I understand that this is sort of a "no original research" problem when a couple of sources do list them as the same building, despite the overwhelming evidence of that they don't remotely look like the same building. Archarin (talk) 21:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it. I noticed they looked a lot different, but I assumed it was due to renovations over the years. Bms4880 (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Incorporating houses directly from the catalogs

I went through "Modern Dwellings," 3rd. Edition, and added the identified houses to the list, though in general, I don't know whether they are still standing, or what year they were built. By default, I've listed them as "1897 (appx.)" as relating to the publication of the first edition, unless I had another source indicating something different. It occurred to me part way through that I was overlooking another layer of complication - that is, not only do I not know which are standing and which have been demolished, I don't really know, in many cases, whether the houses were actually built. I didn't think of a good way to differentiate between houses for which there are actual photos in the catalogs and houses for which there are only renderings, but I couldn't think of a good alternative that would allow this to be done at all systematically - without traveling all over the country to try to prove that certain houses were not ever built, you could never check any catalog off the list. I favor erring on the side of too much information rather than too little, but I'm open to ideas on how this can be done more accurately (though please don't just go through and delete all of them without some discussion first).

Design #43 (p. 113), unidentified in the catalog, I am almost certain I have an actual photo of somewhere, so this note is to remind me to look for it. --Archarin (talk) 14:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

You might try searching the web to see if any of these houses are still standing. I found a Frank Hicks House in Blandinsville: [1]. Does it resemble MD3 8-E? Bms4880 (talk) 15:04, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

That's it exactly. I'll cite the link. Archarin (talk) 19:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Does this look like MD3-19E: [2]? Bms4880 (talk) 20:19, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately not - it's more of a Foursquare, with octagon bays and a squarish porch. Funny little arch-top dormers. Archarin (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Here's another, in Belleville, Kansas: [3]. It's listed on the Register. Any resemblance to MD3 #2E? Bms4880 (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

That's the one. I've updated the listing. Archarin (talk) 00:19, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Catalog List

To be struck through as cross-referenced with the existing article list. Also, if there are any of those "references" letters printed in the catalogs, list the names and addresses of the people below, as the catalogs are checked, to be cross-referenced against the main Works list as well. In my opinion, they're not informational enough to use to list a house since there's no information on which design they might even reference (though in another sense they are more reliable in that they refer to houses definitely built), but they could be helpful for someone else tracking down houses in a particular locale. Archarin (talk) 00:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

CS1 - Barber's The Cottage Souvenir (c. 1887–1888)

CS2 - Barber's The Cottage Souvenir No. 2 (1890)

CS3 - Barber's The Cottage Souvenir Revised and Enlarged (1892)

AH - Barber's Artistic Homes: How to Plan and Build Them (1895)

APP - Client mentioned in Barber's Appreciation (1896)

NMD - Barber's New Model Dwellings (1896)

HI - Barber's Homes Illustrated (1897?)

MD - Barber's Modern Dwellings and Their Proper Construction (1898)

MD3 - Barber & Kluttz's Modern Dwellings: A Book of Practical Designs and Plans for Those who wish to Build or Beautify Their Homes (3rd ed., 1901)

Joseph R. Anderson - Lee, Goochland Co., Virginia (before June 18, 1900)

emailed an inquiry to Goochland County Historical Society Archarin (talk) 22:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

W.P. Lee - Buena Vista, Virginia (before October 2, 1900)

Magnolia, Mississippi (before August 8, 1900)

maybe this one?[4] They say 1902, but I don't buy it, with those Eastlake corner blocks on the interior casings. --Archarin (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

or this one?[5] --Archarin (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

R.H. Dweyer - McComb, Mississippi (after August 8, 1900)

Mrs. F.P. Tanner - Ouray, Colorado (before October 5, 1900)

W.G. Haven - Greenfield, Illinois (before May 25, 1899)

maybe this one?[6] It looks like a Barber. The build date on the listing is obviously incorrect. --Archarin (talk) 18:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Frank T. Eskridge (contractor) - Boston, Massachusetts (before October 31, 1900)

There is a Frank T. Eskrigge in the 1900 Boston City Directory (p. 549(543)) - "clerk, 28 School, Rm. 34, bds. at Brookline." Also Thomas S. Eskrigge, clerk, h. 33 Cobden.

1898 City Directory: Frank T. Eskrigge, clerk, 28 School, Rm. 34, bds. 502 Columbus Ave.; Thomas S. Eskrigge, clerk, 384A Wash. h. at Winthrop. (p. 525(520)) Archarin (talk) 05:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

ART - Barber's Art In Architecture (c. 1901)

AMH5 - Barber & Kluttz's American Homes: A Book of Everything for Those who are Planning to Build or Beautify Their Homes (5th ed., 1907)

Houses of Questionable Provenance

I dislike the idea of simply deleting houses and buildings from the list for not having what might be (subjectively) considered a good source, so I'd propose that they be placed here, with an explanation by the remover of the cause for them being held in limbo. Archarin (talk) 19:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Are you referring to a specific deletion, or just in general? Bms4880 (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

In general. And that I'm making a couple. Archarin (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, though I'm having a little trouble deciding how to format it.Archarin (talk) 19:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Name	Image	Reference	Reason for Further Reference Needed
800 Deery Street (Knoxville, Tennessee)			Despite being listed as a Barber house in various sources because of its similarity to CS2 #2, Knoxville City Directories indicate strongly that this house existed years before Barber published his first catalog, or lived in Knoxville. Deed research may clarify. Archarin (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Scott House (Barnes House) (Old Blue) 211 W. Poplar St. (Harrisburg, Illinois)			Does not appear to match any specific Barber plan (and does not obviously appear even to be an old house). The reference provided does not pertain to this house. Archarin (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
(Pacific Grove, California)			This house is said to be a replica house, built 1989. Archarin (talk) 18:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I believe the NRHP write-up for Fourth and Gill mistook this house for the Fisk House. Bms4880 (talk) 19:56, 14 May 2014 (UTC).

I'd noted that already as sort of an internal disambiguation. Fisk House is on the list; this actual house is the one with the City Directory conflict. Archarin (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Illinois

House in Lebanon IL was demolished about three years ago.

There is a home at 707 Royal St, Alton IL that was recently discovered by me and verified per Chris DiMattei 2600:6C42:7600:11D4:81A1:AB26:37A1:391D (talk) 14:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Gaines House

We have a Barber house in St John, WA. Originally called the R.B. Gaines House, now colloquially called the Doctor’s House as it has been home to the last 5 town doctors going back to the 1960s. It was built in 1906, model #37. Please feel free to add it to your registry.

Gaines House 304 S Main St Saint John, WA 99171 162.248.150.96 (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2022 (UTC)