Talk:List of Frasier characters

Julia Wilcox

Under her description it says she filed a complaint against KACL, but she never actually did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.131.146 (talk) 10:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Maris' Household Staff

Just a quick question RE: the listings for the household staff - do we really need all of them? I can understand Marta being on there (as she actually appears on the show a few times) and Yoshi (as he's mentioned a few times and is something of a running gag), but the other two? I'm assuming that they were mentioned once or twice at most, because speaking personally I've never heard of them. If I'm wrong, of course, I'm happy to have it pointed out to me, but I'm of the feeling that those two should probably be chopped - there's such a thing as providing too much detail, after all, and it seems a bit overboard to list every single staff member whom Niles happened to mention at some point, even if he only mentioned them once over the entire series. Great article otherwise, though, and much more convenient than the previous set-up.--Joseph Q Publique 13:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel that these characters should be included again, merely for reference purposes, but have included them under their own sub-title "minor characters"

82.40.75.55 13:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

ABSOLUTELY they should be included! After 10 years' character development of a NEVER SEEN Maris, why would any of her unseen staff be left out? Am I mistaken, or isn't the last reference to Maris, as her being sent to prison for murdering a lover?--W8IMP 15:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yesterday I saw the episode where Niles finally leaves Maris. He bids the servants (three or four people) good-bye.

In the Maris article it explains that she flees to her own Pacific Island to avoid extradition for a murder trial--W8IMP (talk) 03:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I think Niles mentions, at least twice, a guy who works for him and Maris called "Gui", or "Gi" (well, with a gutural pronunciation such as Niles said to Frasier). Maybe he could be included too. 81.9.221.55 (talk) 20:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Bebe

I have not watched the whole series of Frasier, but is Bebe ever a PROPER employee at KACL, (like Frasier, Roz and Noel)?

If not, it would be appropriate for her to moved to another section I feel.

--82.40.75.55 13:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

No, she wasn't. She represented Frasier, Roz and Bulldog, but she was never a KACL employee herself (she isn't really anyone's "employee" so to speak, I believe she works for herself (and her clients obviously!).

HillValleyTelegraph, October 12, 2006.

In addition to the son mentioned in the article, the first time she appears she says that she has a daughter.Jock123 (talk) 22:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed - she should be moved to "Others". Smurfmeister (talk) 13:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

There is the implication in the acrticle that we first learn she is Bulldog's agent in a leter episode when in reality we learn she is Bulldog's Agent when Frasier first meets her. 66.188.179.245 (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Bulldog

Isn't Bulldog worthy of his own article? I mean, Dan Butler was a regular cast member for awhile, and he was much more significant to the series than Bebe was.The Invisible Man 05:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I've added a new article. --Joseph Q Publique 11:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I've also added a reference to Dan Butler being credited as a regular in seasons four and five; this is significant given he's been included in an article covering "minor characters". Smurfmeister (talk) 16:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Mel...

I don't think the implication is that she had her son at a young age... It's that she is much older then she appears to be. -MichiganCharms 12:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Issues with the article

Since the talk page doesn't appear to be active, I've started a discussion here about it: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television#Minor_characters_on_Frasier. The article has sourcing, notability and trivia issues. Feel free to comment and discuss there. RobJ1981 (talk) 06:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Lorna/Lana Lenely

In her first appearance, she mentions that she has 2 children, at least 1 of which is a boy. When she returns later in the show, she seems to only have 1 child, Kirby.

I don't know if this is important, but where is her other child? ~~

In the eight season episode "Semi-Decent Proposal" Frasier asks Lana how her kids are doing and she replies with, "Oh, my youngest is good, he's in the ninth grade. But Kirby, if he doesn't pass U.S. history he's not going to graduate." This shows that she has two sons and Kirby is the older of the two. I don't think we ever see her other son on screen. Christophee (talk) 14:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The Moon Brothers’ Accents

I have to disagree with the article (and the reviewer that is cited) that Michael Moon, as played by Robbie Coltrane, has a Glaswegian accent. He (Coltrane) is affecting an English accent for the part of Michael, albeit as regionally indistinct as the rest of the Moon clan; it is sloppy and lazy work by the journalist, who seems to assume that Coltrane is using his natural accent - he isn’t. Also the sentence that says Stephen Moon “speaks with Grant's trademark RP 'posh' accent despite the Moons' being from Manchester” is just wrong. The whole point about RP is that it isn’t geographical, but social: even people from Manchester can speak with an RP accent!! Elocution lessons can see to that! Jock123 (talk) 22:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Aye. However, Wikipedia uses verifiability, not truth. If the only reliable sources available to us get facts wrong, we get facts wrong. Otherwise, we indulge in original research. Fences&Windows 01:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Would it not make more sense, if something is known to be wrong, but the only source that can be found claims it, that it simply not be mentioned at all? Better to not make a statement due to lack of verifiability than to make a statement that is false just because someone has claimed it before. I'd argue that, regarding the section about Robbie Coltrane's accent, one has to question the authority with which the claim is made, since it is made by "Marcus Warren" in New York. Is this person in any way an authority on accents? As for the "trademark RP 'posh'" claim, I see no reference provided for that claim, so shouldn't it be removed as original research (indeed, there isn't even a claim about him having such a "trademark" accent in the article on the man himself)? 131.181.251.67 (talk) 11:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"Verifiability, not truth" means that verifiability is a requirement even if something is apparently true. It does not mean that when a single published source contains false information, that source trumps the truth.Sadiemonster (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Moose & Enzo

When exactly did Enzo take over from Moose as Eddie? The page says that Moose retired in 2000, but also says that Enzo took over for the final two seasons, which would have meant he started in 2002. I understand that Enzo was a stunt double before he took over permanently, but the page is unclear about when he took over on a permanent basis. Christophee (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

"Other Characters" unworthy of mention

A number of the "Other Characters" listed at the end aren't worthy of being included in the list, over the top of other, unlisted characters. This isn't meant to be a list of all characters ever seen, just those of actual significance, either due to frequency of reference, or frequency of appearance.

For instance, Duke is significant, being a character mentioned quite frequently. Alice May Doyle and Donny Douglas are probably worthy of inclusion in a higher category, since both are highly important characters. However, Jerome Belasco is a once-off character that is never mentioned again... is this character really worthy of specific mention as a "minor character"? Other characters not worthy of inclusion are Jen Doyle, Derek Mann, Clive, T.H. Houghton, and Jackson Hedley. All of these characters are once-off, mentioned only in that episode, and then are never heard of again. And as these characters hold no real significance to the major characters outside of their appearances in their respective episodes, they are no more worthy of being on the list than any random character that one of the main characters dated in an episode.

On the flipside, a number of other characters that should be included are missing. Using imdb for efficiency, I see "James the Waiter", who made 12 appearances, Mrs Richman (a neighbour) who made 5 appearances, and Claire French, a more significant love interest of Frasier's who made 5 appearances. Also on the list of significant love interests are Faye Moskowitz, Cassandra Stone, Regan Shaw, and Madeleine Marshall, all of which managed at least three distinct episodes. Are these characters not more worthy than once-off characters? And no doubt there are a few characters that are referred to repeatedly, despite appearing once or not at all, that are more significant, too. 131.181.251.67 (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Generally speaking, characters that only appear in one episode are unimportant and should be excluded from such lists on Wikipedia so, yes, the likes of T. H. Houghton need to go. (Common sense should always be used, of course; for example, although Frasier's Greek in-laws only appeared once, Nikos Crane should stay on the list given that he is a direct close relative.) This rule would also, thankfully, exclude the vast majority of Frasier's girlfriends. That said, you are correct in stating that Claire French, Regan Shaw, and others deserve mention. YLee (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Other shows on KACL

Not really shows, but another employee that needs adding; Teddy (Wayne Wilderson) in the season one episode "Oops!"; no idea what he does.

And station managers' Ned Miller (John Glover) (also from the episode "Oops!") and Big Willy [Boon] (Richard Hamilton) from the season three episode "Where There's Smoke, There's Fired." - .:. Jigsy .:. (talk) 08:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Charlotte's surname

Just out of curiosity, is Charlotte's surname ever mentioned on the show. I just finished watching Season 11 again and I do not recall hearing her surname at all. The article lists her name as Charlotte Connor, so I was wondering where that name comes from. Christophee (talk) 17:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

From a search of news archives, I can't find any citable sources for the last name. It should probably be tagged as uncited, and if no sources are found after a reasonable amount of time the last name should be removed.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless it's maybe something kind of obscure, like on the door of her office or something?--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, just watched the episode, not on the door. :( --Yaksar (let's chat) 20:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Gil Chesterton's name

That unsourced story seems suspect. It seemed obvious to me that it was a reference to writer G.K. (Gilbert Keith) Chesterton. If not, that is one amazing coincidence. 207.59.211.146 (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

incest among the Moons?

"Roz is quite taken with him (and he with her) at first, but she eventually catches on to his ways and rejects his advances. Simon views her as a sex object, yet always forgets her name."

This sounds Truly Weird. It needs rethinking. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The only weird part is that you think two unrelated people can commit incest. Smurfmeister (talk) 16:50, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Bare URLs and wiki-links V referencing to other wikipedia articles

Hi there, I noticed that this article had a great number of bare URLs (as reference citations). I have done a bit of work expanding these bare URLs using a reference template; however, I noticed that most of the reference citations link to other Wikipedia pages about individual Frasier episodes. I could be mistaken, but to my understanding it's not good form to reference an article using another Wikipedia page as the reference source. To my understanding, using a wiki-link would be a more suitable way to link to the information you want to reference within a Wikipedia article. What do other people think?Jihadcola (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

As stated at WP:CIRCULAR, Wikipedia articles should not be used as references. They may be used as links to provide more information to a term of interest, but under no circumstances do wiki-links constitute proper sourcing. Cheers. Doniago (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

In this case the episode season/episode data (or, if not available, the episode title) is the cite; the Wikipedia article link is merely a convenience. See Talk:Frasier Crane#Inline citations need improvement. Ylee (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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Walt Crane actor

Changed Actor from "John Mahoney", Who obviously is Martin Crane, to "John Mahon" who played the brother. Pretty easy mistake someone made given the names. Took out the link to "Mahoney" from it, but there is no wiki page for "Mahon". His IMDB is here "John Mahon" --TheMightyAllBlacks (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia referring to itself

This article uses other Wikipedia articles as references. Isn't that disallowed? JIP | Talk 22:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, per WP:CIRCULAR. I'll see if I can find/fix any of that. DonIago (talk) 17:41, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

They should be better now. The citations should be to the episodes and can link to the Wikipedia articles for those episodes, but that's not the same thing as citing the articles themselves. More info here. Cheers! See what I did there? :p DonIago (talk) 18:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)