Talk:List of Cowboy Bebop episodes

W.C. Fields reference

I happen to be reading about W.C. Fields and saw a familiar reference in his dislike for "children, dogs, and women" I think Spike makes a similar statement at the end of Jammin With Edward. Might want to link the reference. -Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.46.0.13 (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah you're right about Spike's complaints, although whether it is in fact related to W.C. Fields or mere coincidence I can't say. -Robobvious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.64.228 (talk) 17:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Trimming and Adding

Some episodes are too big, others, too small. I'll be doing what I can with the eps as soon as I refresh my memory after watching adult swim. -- Makaio 02:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Is Ballad of Fallen Angels a song? What scene is it in during the episode? Highlandlord 09:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It is. Its the one where Spike is falling out the window after fighting Vicious. New Order 01:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

No, that song is called "Green Bird". Battle Ape 05:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle Ape is correct, the song that plays in Episode 5 of Cowboy Bebop as Spike falls through the stain glass window of the church is called Green Bird. The song that plays as he is walking to the church is the female vocal version of Walk in the Rain, often called Rain. I am unsure whether a song by the name of Ballad of Fallen Angels actually exists, for so far every one I find is merely Green Bird with that title. -Robobvious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.64.228 (talk) 17:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Typo?

A "renaissance man"? Shouldn't this be "reconnaissance man"? Shinobu 01:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

"Renaissance man": someone good in a variety of fields, particularly in both arts and sciences. Threefourfive 19:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Pierre Le Fou...

According to the English version of the Anime Guides (published by TokyoPop), the names Tong Pou and Mad Pierrot were both taken from two songs by Japanese band YMO. YMO got the name Mad Pierrot from the Jean-Luc Godard film "Pierrot Le Fou" which means "Pierrot the insane" in French.

It's on Page 14 of Volume 5.

pierrot le fou —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.112.172 (talk) 03:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Separate Pages?

Many other television series on Wikipedia have individual pages for each episode. Any reason why Bebop shouldn't? --user.lain 05:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

If there's enough that one can say about the episode beyond the short blurb that appears alongside the title here, I'd say sure, go for it. I wouldn't create one just for sake of creation, though. Tarc 22:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

My concern is mostly the large amount of space taken up by having the summaries on the main article page. --user.lain 04:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think we should only write summaries, etc if it's to explain something about Bebop. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a place where we retell the story, only talk about the story as a work of fiction. Guidelines to keep in mind: WP:FICT, WP:WAF, and most importantly, Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes which directly deals with the expansion of episode type articles. -- Ned Scott 06:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the format of the episode list to use a table. I didn't change any of the summaries, but I think the idea of having a separate page for the episodes with long summaries makes sense. Greba 19:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that the table is becoming gigantic. It might be time to split into separate pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 03:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Episode titles written in Katakana?

I was watching the whole series again, and I've seen every episode title is written in katakana, except for Pierrot Le Fou, which is written in Kanji. Does anyone know the reason why? Cuz Pierrot Le Fou is a french word, isn't it suppose to be written in katakana and not kanji? RedEyesMetal 10:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I donno, but that reminds me.. the template used in the list should probably be {{Japanese episode list}}. I'll probably make the change myself in a bit here, but if anyone wants to beat me to it, feel free to. -- Ned Scott 10:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Very belated answer, but someone might read it and find it interesting: because it's one of the two episodes where the Japanese title and the English title are completely different. The Japanese title is "Dōkeshi no Chinkonka", which translates to "Requiem of a Clown". The other is "Toys in the Attic", whose Japanese title, "Yamiyo no Hevi Rokku", translates to "Heavy Rock of the Dark Night". All the other episodes are the same in both languages (either a direct transliteration, a direct translation, or both). - Wrassedragon (talk) 11:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Brain Scratch and Serial Experiments Lain

Being that Serial Experiments Lain came out after the first run of Cowboy Bebop, I don't think you could really say that it's an homage to SEL if it came out first. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pandaguy87 (talk • contribs) 09:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

True, but you have to admit the similarities, so it's worth mentioning. I know that SEL wasn't really inspired by other animes, but rather real life, and perhaps other Japanese horror movies. Still, I believe that the CB episode is still connected to SEL somehow. " Everything is connected", remember? :) --Freespirit1981 00:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

That's nice and all, but we require sources for such things or else they're considered original research. -- Ned Scott 01:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I know that SEL is influnced by things in the real world and horror movies. The Wiki article on the series says so. As for my comment about the two being connected, yes that's just a theory, but you still can't say that they don't have similarities. I may be new to editing,but I don't need to be told that fan theories don't belong in Wiki articles. :)--Freespirit1981 01:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see, my bad :) -- Ned Scott 02:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Trimming of introduction

I've removed the following information from the introduction:

The Japanese anime series, Cowboy Bebop consists of 26 episodes, referred to as "sessions." Also included in the continuity is the Cowboy Bebop movie, placed between sessions 22 and 23. Many episodes are named explicitly for famous songs or albums — "Stray Dog Strut," "Honky Tonk Woman," "Ballad of Fallen Angels", "Sympathy for the Devil," "Jamming with Edward," "Toys in the Attic," "Bohemian Rhapsody," "My Funny Valentine," "Speak Like a Child," "Wild Horses," "Hard Luck Woman," and "The Real Folk Blues," the show's ending theme (itself named for an album by blues legend John Lee Hooker). Titles which do not name a specific song generally combine some plot element of the episode with a broader musical style — "Jupiter Jazz Pt. 1", "Jupiter Jazz Pt. 2", "Mushroom Samba," "Cowboy Funk," and "Waltz for Venus," for example. "Ballad of Fallen Angels", which was the title of session 5, was never released on any of the albums.

The Cowboy Bebop movie carries the subtitle Knockin' on Heaven's Door. However, due to a trademark dispute over the title, Columbia Tristar released it in America with the shortened title Cowboy Bebop: The Movie.

The title of session 2, "Stray Dog Strut", references both the song "Stray Cat Strut" by The Stray Cats and the film "Stray Dog" by Akira Kurosawa.

The title refers to Ein's daring escape from his abductor and running throughout the city, with Spike in pursuit.

Session 20, "Pierrot le Fou" is named for the film of the same name by Jean-Luc Goddard. It uses mostly atonal music and could also be named in reference to atonal music pioneer Arnold Schoenberg's "Pierrot Lunaire". "Pierrot Lunaire" means literally, "moonstruck pierrot". The Japanese title accompanying the English literally translates to "Requiem for a Clown," utilizing a music genre in the title as well. Also, the episode contains a tribute to Pink Floyd's "On the Run" from the "Dark Side Of The Moon" album when Pierrot's origins are being shown.

Due to the violence portrayed in the Cowboy Bebop world and violence in Japanese schools, the series was briefly cancelled and an extra session was created as a final episode to the first thirteen episodes aired. Called "Session XX: Mish-Mash Blues," a compilation of clips from previous episodes, it aired on June 26 1998 on TV Tokyo. The episode was never released on DVD. In it, the characters provide a philosophical commentary and end with the words: This Is Not The End. You Will See The Real "Cowboy Bebop" Someday!

All of that is information that belongs in the Cowboy Bebop article, not the List of Cowboy Bebop episodes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Battle Ape (talk • contribs) 05:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

Pictures

Seems to me that it would be a good idea for each episode to have a screen shot from it. I can do this in a while when I have time, unless someone else has some ready or more time.--Helgers7 19:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

"Toys in the Attic" "staged"

Someone said that it's possible that the episode "Toys in the Attic" is staged. How can it be staged? It's fiction! Unless I'm missing some anime fan lingo, here, I think it should be changed to say that it's possible that it "takes place out side of the show's continuity".

Please remove the table

Please remove the table and use normal heading markup. The table provides no real function here, as the article is not very tabular in nature. Also, if you use headings, the article will look better and will be easier to navigate and edit. Shinobu 22:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The table allows for each part of the data to be tagged, which makes future use much easier. A hybrid between headings and the template/table format is in the works. -- Ned Scott 23:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Toys in the Attic reference

The episode makes a reference to "Route 66" (a song) in the episode some time around when Spike decides to "go in". Not sure how this musical reference was missed. Dfsghjkgfhdg (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Jamming with Edward

Article claims the carvings are done in the 'Nazca' style. I recognize at least one of the carvings is, in fact, taken from the English countryside. Possibly needs further research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.233.248 (talk • contribs) 18:43, June 9, 2008 Some (perhaps not all) definitely are in the Nazca style, the spider most certainly is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.64.228 (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hard Luck Woman

I just added that the title could be a reference to the song Beth by Kiss. -Robobvious 96.233.64.228 (talk) 17:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Citation Needed

I realize the impulse to curtail original research on Wikipedia is important, but noting that the episode titled "Bohemian Rhapsody" is an allusion to the Queen song, "Bohemian Rhapsody," seems less like research and more like a self-evident observation. There's a hint of induction, being that you need to know that many of the episodes are named for famous songs, but this does seem a bit like overkill. The same implies, tho to a somewhat lesser degree to less statistically improbable song / episode titles, such as "Toys in the Attic," etc. Just my 2¢. Squidwiggle (talk) 06:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, this is just stupid. I have a feeling that if it was up to whoever did this, the article for "hand" would have "citation needed" next to "The average human hand has five fingers." When you have this many episodes that all coincide with song titles, it's ridiculous to expect that we should restrain our common sense. Wikipedia's policies exist to improve the quality of its articles. I'm removing these tags. -Matt S. (talk) 23:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ganymede Elegy

The episode description claims it is one of two episodes not named after a musical concept; however, an elegy is a funeral song. 68.116.159.234 (talk) 09:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Heavy Metal Queen

So.. I noticed there's no mention of Decker's character looking like Woody Allen? I mean, his hair, glasses, and nervous nature? I mean, yeah, he's pretty minor and he does die, but, I think it's proof enough that the kiddy-looking place Faye found him in was named "Woody's". HibikiWolf (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:42, 6 May 2010 (UTC).

Air dates

Are the air dates in this list correct? There's a pretty glaring discrepancy right now in that session XX, which was aired when the series was canceled midway through, is listed with an original air date that is before any of the others. How could it have been aired in the middle, after the series had run for a while and then been canceled, and yet have an air date that's a year before any of the others?

I did check the original air dates on IMDB, and they're very different from the ones listed here. Those air dates make sense, and put session XX right in the middle, but are those ones correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.255.8 (talk) 16:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

No, the list isn't correct at all, nor is the first paragraph (which says that the series aired on TV Tokyo from October 1998 to April 1999). I'm genuinely surprised an article about such a high profile show is in such a poor state. I'll try and correct that. Erigu (talk) 21:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Jupiter Jazz

...is actually the title of a 1992 track by Underground Resistance, so the article's suggestion that it is merely a reference to the genre of Jazz is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.156.37 (talk) 12:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed.--Martin IIIa (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Breaker 1-9 Error?

This is not true:

The line "Breaker One-Nine," stated in the episode by the character Victoria Terpsischore (V.T.), also originates from Convoy, though it is an actual term used by truckers, "Breaker" meaning a driver is coming on to a channel, and "One-Nine" being the East-West bound travel in North America, "One-Four" being North-South travel.

Breaker 1-9 means "I am about to speak on CB Channel 19" and Breaker 1-4 means "I am about to speak on CB Channel 14"

Also, I'm not one of the scriptwriters, so I can't say if the usage in this episode "originated" from one of the scriptwriters first hearing it in the movie Convoy, but the actual usage of the Breaker term pre-dates the movie, so "originates" is probably the wrong word to use here in any event. If it is true that the scriptwriters used the Breaker term because they saw it in Convoy, "inspired" would be a better word to use. If the scriptwriters' intention/inspiration is unknown, then this comment is speculation and should be labeled as such or removed.

If there are no replies to this comment by 2011 January 31, I will edit the original and delete this comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.244.70.65 (talk) 18:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Movie takes place in between episodes 22 and 23?

Is there a source that can confirm this, because it seems like the movie can take place in almost any part of the series.--Kingplatypus 01:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingplatypus (talk • contribs)

I remember I read someone on the staff saying as much in some old Newtype interview back when the movie was released, but I couldn't tell you the specifics. What I can tell you is how you can tell it has to be set between episodes 22 and 23:

• Andy can be seen in his new "samurai" costume during the ending credits, therefore the movie has to be set sometime after episode 22.
• "Big Shot" is still on the air, therefore the movie has to be set sometime before episode 23. Erigu (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

My Funny Valentine

Why is there a citation needed for this? It's the name of a jazz standard, the series is for most part inspired by jazz, and the episode titles are almost all musical in nature. We can connect A to B without having to source it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.45.109.10 (talk) 20:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Anime Guides

Many of the references to the anime guides seem extraneous. First of all, the guides were published by TokyoPop, a company that licensed the Bebop brand; it was not published by the studios or individuals who created the show. Second, many of the citations to the guides are for speculative pieces of trivia. There needs to be a distinction in this article between factual trivia and speculative trivia. For example, there are lots of citations that say certain characters in the show "appear like" various real life people. E.g. Doohan "appears similar to that of film director Nicholas Ray". Well, unless the creative team intended to make Doohan in the image of Nicholas Ray, that speculation shouldn't be in the article. Noting that a character looks like someone doesn't make that a relevant piece of information. These characters may look like any one of dozens of people. It is only relevant if the creators intended to make that character look like that person. The bottom line is that these pieces of information need to be verified before they're put in. Of course, some information in the anime guides are absolutely true and appropriate for the article. But it's a case by case basis. ask123 (talk) 07:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the guide books were written by staff from Japanese magazine Newtype, which had a close association with Bebop from its inception. The Tokyopop versions were translated from those books a couple of years later, though there are a number of minor issues and misunderstandings in their translations, so I agree judgement should be used. Most of the notes phrased as questions or that read like speculation in the English versions can in fact be verified in other Japanese publications and staff interviews though (including the point about Ray and Duhan/Doohan).--Contrafour (talk) 14:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)