Talk:List of Bokurano characters

Koyemshi

Koyemshi? WTF is up with that spelling? Is that official english spelling in a japanese guidebook or something? I know Rider of Midland is Japanese so he shouldn't have bunked up the actual spelling of Koemushi (dung beetle). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.122.18.171 (talk) 02:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dung beetle" is actually "kusomushi", in Japanese, not "koemushi". And while there's an obvious connection ("koe" and "kuso" are practically synonymous, and Bokura no is based on The Moon by George Akiyama, which had a character called "Kusomushi" assisting the main characters), there are no kanji associated to that name in the Japanese version, and thus no definitive evidence that "koemushi" is really meant to be a Japanese word/name in the first place.

A popular theory is that the kana "koemushi" actually stand for the word "Koyemsi" (not "Koyemshi"), as both "Kokopelli" and "Koyemsi" are Kachina names, and both Kokopelli and "koemushi" introduce themselves in the same manner at the beginning of Bokura no ("let's say my name is [...]"). Erigu (talk) 02:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It would appear "Koyemshi" is a possible spelling for that Kachina name (even if "Koyemsi" seems to be more common, according to Google), and that's how the character's name is spelled on the covers of the Japanese DVDs. So Rider of Midland was actually 100% correct and didn't "bunk up" anything. Erigu (talk) 00:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

More to the point, though, perhaps we should leave his name as "Dung Beetle" until it becomes clear how the English release will refer to him? He introduces himself as Koyemshi in the second chapter, which is as far as Viz has released, but since Anko is quick to point out that that means "Dung Beetle," it's not really clear which the kids will go with in the translation. Though to be fair, I guess I could see a decision being made to stick with Koyemshi due to the awkwardness of calling a character "Dung Beetle." (unsigned edit by 99.31.123.39)

Sorry, I hadn't noticed your reply (don't forget to sign your comments by typing four tildes)...

Well, the character's name is "Koyemshi", as seen in Viz's version... but yeah, the kids might end up calling him "Dung Beetle" anyway (I kind of object to their note saying "koemushi" is Japanese for "dung beetle" though... that would be "kusomushi", as I said above... ah well).

I personally think we should use the character's actual name and simply add a note regarding the nickname... but I also realize that, by the same logic, we shouldn't use nicknames for the kids either, then. And considering official materials / merchandise always use their nicknames, that wouldn't sit well with me.

Hmm...

For now, I think we should wait and see if "Dung Beetle" "sticks". And if it does... Well, I don't know. ^^; Erigu (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there any real point to listing each kid's Grade, considering they are all in 7th grade except for one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.166.255.41 (talk) 19:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In the anime there were significant casualties during Waku's battle... Here it says only he died though. Is that what happened in the manga version or is it a mistake?

Um, no, I thought there were some casualties in his battle. I know there were in the anime - I think in the manga there were more than just Waku himself, but the exact number isn't stated. --Selo12394 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Changes from manga to anime.

Yes, in the manga the only casualty was Waku. Komoda Takami's father in the anime is a member of the Japanese Diet, instead of a Naval Officer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.140.207.157 (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

Translation

I have changed most of the Coemushi in the list to "Dung Beetle" to bring it in-line with the Bokurano article. If necessary to change back, please manually change the instances instead of using reverts as I did some minor editing (grammar/spelling/etc) besides making the translation choice with my edits. - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 11:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Order of the pilots

I think that we need to bring back the part about the order the kids pilot Zearth in both the manga and the anime. Also, the chapter numbers are an important point to include. 24.83.237.237 (talk) 00:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I personally think we should primarily focus on the original work / the comics, and maybe add a few notes regarding the TV series and the light novels. Listing three different orders in the same breath would be a lot more confusing than informative, in my opinion.

As for the episode numbers, I really don't think they're relevant (especially if they include fan mistakes such as "chapter 65.1": it's just "episode 65"... and Koyemshi appeared weeeeeell before that episode anyway). Besides, all the major characters (the kids, anyway) first appeared in volume 1. Erigu (talk) 00:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well the chapter numbers is about which character is the main focus and not when they first appear. 24.83.237.237 (talk) 01:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That still seems quite superfluous to me. Especially if you already mention that Waku is the first pilot, Kodama the second, etc.

Wouldn't an article like List of Death Note chapters be more adequate for that kind of information? Considering how the episodes are titled, it would be informative enough. Erigu (talk) 01:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well you can't expect people to find out by reading the manga. The reason why wikipedia exist is for quick information and personally if I was new to the manga and I want to only read about Moji then I can come here and find out which chapters he is focused on. 24.83.237.237 (talk) 01:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

And that's what articles like List of Death Note chapters are for. Erigu (talk) 01:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, so you would rather do a whole new page then just do something like "Waku: Chapter 4-5" 24.83.237.237 (talk) 01:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I would. The new page would also include additional information such as the volume numbers (which, if you're not Japanese and actually buy your manga, should be more informative than the episode numbers... 'just sayin'....), release dates, ISBN numbers, etc. Erigu (talk) 01:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Here it is. Obviously, there's room for improvement. Erigu (talk) 04:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Title

Hey, can we strike the "Ours" from the title of the Wikipedia page in favor of just noting that the English release adds the literal translation of Bokurano to the end of the title to clarify what it means? I know this is the English language Wiki page, but I always feel like the original name is the one that should be used mainly and the altered one should be the side-note, not the other way around. Strictly speaking, that's more "accurate" isn't it? In general, I mean. Saying "it goes by ____ in Japan" strips some of the significance of the work being Japanese in the first place. Plus, it just seems redundant to mention that the title means "Our" immediately after having Viz's title... which, for the record, sounds just plain awkward, though I understand why they did it. I will be surprised if anyone ever refers to it by the full name in conversation, though. (unsigned edit by 99.31.123.39)

Per guidelines, the main article title should be the best-known official translation of the title -- which currently is the only officially translated title, viz. the Viz one. (This page needs to be moved to match, actually.) —Quasirandom (talk) 14:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, it's not exactly redundant to mention that the title means "our", as that's different from the official English subtitle "Ours". The idea being that "Bokura no" is an "incomplete title": it means "our [missing word]".

Not sure why Viz went with "Bokurano: Ours", but they did, so...

(I do think the whole thing is a little bit troublesome considering the TV series wasn't released in English and should thus be referred to as "Bokura no"...) Erigu (talk) 03:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

"Our" and "ours" are both valid translations—bokura no is not incomplete. The particle no can be used like that to replace a noun. In English it can be translated as <adjective> + "one."

• e.g. akai kaban (the red bag) → akai no = "the red one"
• kirei na hana (a pretty flower) → kirei na no = "a pretty one," etc.

For words that require a no to connect to a noun in the first place, like bokura or guree, replacing the noun itself with no gives you two of them in a row like *bokura no no, which must always be contracted to just one, as in bokura no.

It would be grammatically correct to say, Dare no kuruma desu ka? –Boku no desu. i.e. "Whose car is it?" –"It's mine." So I imagine Viz translated it as "ours" because it can stand on its own in English (unlike "our"), although it is not clear what exactly is 'ours' without context. 130.85.223.106 (talk) 09:04, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

No, "Bokura no" is absolutely meant to be an incomplete title, here ("our [missing word]", like I said above). It's used as an incomplete sentence around the end of the comic, and you can also tell by the way the title is written in both the comic (the "no" is followed by a "torn paper" effect) and the TV series (the title fades away toward the end). Erigu (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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