Talk:Linkin Park/Archive 5

Article for Rob Bourdon and Dave "Phoenix" Farrell

DUCKYS!! Why haven't you made a link to Rob Bourdon or Dave "Phoenix" Farrell's profile in the infobox where it has the members. I created a page for Rob Bourdon aswell, so you should fix the link to the page of Rob Bourdons article and now there has to be a Dave Farrell article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgeekerman(talk • contribs) 08:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Rob Bourdon and Dave Farrell are important part of this band and hence cannot be neglected. Since, Linkin Park is the most selling artist /band of the 21st Century, these 2 important members must be paid attention.

I have no idea where the relevance of this lies, except that it is a rather important bit of info. I think it should also be taken into account that the lack of current information available for members of this band (among other celebrities) can be used to the advantage of criminals and other sort. Two men masquerading as Rob Bourdon & his alleged manager "Tom Ciola" have been calling women to Miami in some sort of scam. It appears that this is something recent and I'm not quite sure of the purpose. The man alleging to be Rob Bourdon apparently looks a lot like Rob, but has several tats on his arms. All I have at this point is a story from someone who encountered this situation & a website containing comments related to the phone number used. I feel that it is probably important that the band and fans alike be aware of this and note that this man has the potential to cause a lot of harm overall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theduchessofdork (talk • contribs) 03:26, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

While Rob and Dave are both important members of Linkin Park, they do not meet the criteria to merit their own articles. In order to obtain an article on Wikipedia, a subject must have a certain amount of ‘notability,’ or amount of coverage from respected third-party sources. A subject’s notability is not always proportionate to its popularity. Sources that affirm a subjects notability are interviews, articles, and videos that DIRECTLY discuss the subject. An article that talks about Linkin Park in great detail may establish notability for the band itself, but it does not establish any notability for Rob or Dave. Furthermore, articles need sources from reliable sources to verify information about all details about the subject’s biography – these include, but are not limited to, videos, documentaries, articles, interviews, and books. When there are enough good sources to verify Rob and Dave’s articles and assess their notability, they can have their own articles. Until this is accomplished, I would recommend working on their articles in a sandbox or test page. If you have any questions, please feel free to review: WP:Notability and WP:Reliable Sources. Thanks --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  01:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

how would that make sense? for people that have been fans of this band for a long while. they would know everything about this band, and its mmembers. the people themselves should be a reliable source. long time fans wouldn't trash an artist, and lie about something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by98.180.52.213 (talk) 12:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Protected?

Why is this page protected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.31.150 (talk) 09:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

i would also like to know, i carnt edit it and im a longstanding member. Andy Lowson (talk) 22:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it obvious? This article reads as though it was written by the band's PR spin artists. Linkin Park is a fabricated band, yet this article would lead one to believe they are actually some legitimate grassroots band. Pathetic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.4.151 (talk) 10:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Um no, it's because of vandalism, much of which was no doubt posted by people who talk like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknownwarrior33 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Crawwwwwling in my skiiiiiin, it's paaaaart of yoooooour whole breakfaaaaast. *doo ree-ahhh ree-ahhh* Lothar76 (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Alternative Metal

I think Alternative Metal would also be needed in the Bands genres. Alternative Rock only can refer to Minutes to Midnight. But some of the bands Songs (From the inside,Easier to run,Pushing me away and even Numb) are exactly Alternative metal or a Mixture of Alternative Metal And Nu Metal.

Well, "alternative rock" can also refer to most of the songs on Meteora, and a few on Hybrid Theory, so I think it should stay. Alternative metal, I am fairly neutral on. ^Tezkag₇₂ 14:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

umm...I don't know..You're right.I didn't say "I think Alternative Rock is not correct".I meant Alternative Rock wasn't enough and it didn't describe the band's sound completely. As I said before, "Easier to Run" , "Pushing me away" ,"from the Inside" , "Numb" , "in the End", "Forgotten" and many other songs are a mixture of Nu Metal and Alternative Metal. I agree many others are Alternative Rock.I don't know,I think if you add Alternative Metal,It will describe their sound better.(Solino the Wolf (talk) 19:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC))

Well, tell whoever reverted it. The genre field is always controversial. And yes, I would agree that a number of their songs are very "alternative metal". Namely, Pushing Me Away (and P5hng Me A*wy), Hit the Floor, No More Sorrow (although that's more "industrial rock"), and 1stp Klosr. To name a few. ^Tezkag₇₂ 22:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Why not both alt. metal and rock, since metal is a sub-genre of rock? Petero9 (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think alternative rock should definitely stay, and to a lesser extent, alternative metal.^Tezkag₇₂ 22:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's better to write both.Solino the Wolf (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, let's have both, then. ^Tezkag₇₂ 20:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Some people really should learn what alternative metal means before discussing it.

Alternative metal means, at the core, heavy metal, but played in an unusual or alternative style. LP don't fit that in the slightest. Their early work is nu metal/rapcore, their latest is alternative rock, without the barest hint of metal.

Alternative metal does not mean, as so many seem to think, a band that plays with distorted guitars, yet doesn't sound like metal in any other way. Prophaniti (talk) 08:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Prophaniti's right!Alternative metal doesn't mean that.It means that the music has alternating verses and choruses.Like SOAD.(and LP :-P)Solino the Wolf (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

But nu metal is a sub genre of alternative metal. And when you tell people they need to learn what something means you always look like a dick, so for your sake I'll tell you it's not a good idea. That's my two scents 01:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's a simple solution to the alt metal problem: Find a reliable source and it stays. If not, it has got to go.Timmeh! 03:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Exactly part of my reasoning for removal. Prophaniti (talk) 08:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

And now I've gone through and added many such sources. If they should be moved, do feel free to do so, but they illustrate a point: of all the sources available, only one (allmusic) terms them "alt. metal". None of the others do, they're all firmly united on nu metal and rap-rock as the band's genres (and alt. rock for their latest). As such, to include alt. metal in the genre field itself would be to give it undue weight as a minority view. Prophaniti (talk) 00:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll find a source for it.Caus it's FUNNY!The most thing heard in their music is Alt.Metal.It's so obvious that I'm sure I'll find sources for that+ who did say all music is not a reliable source?I myself dont count them a good source but as in MANY articles in Wikipedia,Allmusic is used as a source,you can't say it's not reliable,or you'll have to re write Many articles in wikipedia.(Come on!How can someone think "Pushing me away" and "From the inside" are not alt.Metal???)Solino the Wolf (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ok I found a reliable source for it and I added it.Solino the Wolf (talk) 22:00, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

How can I think such songs aren’t alt. metal? Because they’re not even close. I won’t go into the big details that could be outlined, but suffice to say, there’s pretty much zero metal content in Linkin Park’s songs (and no, that isn't a criticism of a metal elitist, it's just an impartial, informed analysis).

But anyway, it doesn’t matter: the source you’ve provided (Pandora) isn’t a reliable one.

ok I dont wanna talk about what alt metal is here.Everybody knowing a little bit of music knows what it is and can say LP is alt metal.(Actually my job is about the history of modern music and I've been reading about genres for 20 years and that's why I'm sure about what I say)I have a source.Don't say allmusic is not reliable.In many articles it has been used as reliable.So if you think it's not reliable first edit those article(for example almost the only source for alternative metal's article is allmusic)Solino the Wolf (talk) 22:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic certainly is considered a reliable source. So really it just depends on whether one source among all those we have should be taken as a minority view and not included. Right now, I'm not really awake enough to ponder it. In some articles one genre allmusic gives isn't used because it's clearly a minority view not worth giving undue weight. In this case it's less clear cut.Prophaniti (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Alternative Metal refers to bands such as System of a Down and Tool (band)RiseAgainst01 (talk) 21:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, bands that actually have some heavy metal influence in their music. Prophaniti (talk) 09:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

No, Linkin Park has metal influence too, just not as prominent. ^Tezkag₇₂ 22:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid they don't. Note that this isn't a criticism. I love the band. There just really isn't any metal influence in them. Disturbed, System of a Down, Soundgarden, Faith No More, those are bands that have metal influence even if they're arguably not strictly "metal bands". Linkin Park's sound is a mix of hip hop, hardcore and post-grunge, no metal in there. Prophaniti (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, several sources describe Linkin Park as a metal band. This includes [1] and Rolling Stone. Also, nu metal fuses influences from alt metal with other genres. Linkin Park is arguably an alt metal band, and this probably should be mentioned in the style section. However, for the infobox, alt metal should not be listed because nu metal covers it. Timmeh! 23:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, certainly sources term them it, and I'm not disputing that point. I'm simply making my point (and that's all it is) that Linkin Park really don't have any heavy metal elements to their music. However, as you say, it's not really worth including beyond the styles section, because nu metal covers it and is much more heavily sourced. Prophaniti (talk) 12:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok.many articles in wikipedia just have one source.You can look at Slipknot's article which has claimed them to beheavy metal just whith one source.So if you think it's a minority view you should go for those articles as well.Solino the Wolf (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

If you want to contest that, then go right ahead. Take a look at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; it's not good enough to simply say something exists elsewhere. If there's only a single source on Slipknot's page referring to them as heavy metal and there are many others that don't, then you'd have a case, as it is here. It's a minority view: the source consensus is nu metal, rap rock and (more recently) alt. rock.Prophaniti (talk) 09:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

It exactly is the same in slipknot's article and many other articles.Plus I dont wanna fight anymore about this.As I said,Anyone listening to from the inside can say it's alt metal. Solino the Wolf (talk) 13:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how their last "nu metal" album was Hybrid Theory, and arguably parts of Meteora, I don't feel it should be listed first in the genre section. Lnkinprk777 (talk) 03:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

allmusic is clearly a reliable source because a lot of articles in wikipedia (including THIS article) are using it as a source and it is always good enough. wikipedia is all about sources and not about the opinion of the majority, so it is RIGHT to include alternative metal as a genre not only in the styles section, because a reliable source (allmusic) says so!!!--LuffyGear2 (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Please read the discussion above and gain consensus before making such controversial changes. Timmeh 15:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Just because Allmusic is used as a source in a lot of wiki pages does not make it reliable. Allmusic saying Linkin Park is metal is just THEIR opinion. Compare anything from Linkin Park to anything that is metal or a sub-genre of metal. I like Linkin Park but none of their music has even a remotely metal sound. I can't think of any Linkin Park song that sounds like any kind of metal --Jimv1983(talk) 23:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Why is there so much discussion about what sub-genre of metal linkin park falls in. Linkin Park isn't metal at all. The appropriate genre for Linkin Park is one of the following: Alternative Rock, Hard Rock or Rap Rock. I can't think of any song from Linkin Park that falls into the genre of Metal or any sub-genre of Metal.--Jimv1983 (talk) 09:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Chester himself has refered to the band's sound as "nu metal" at some point in their history.[2] There are several other sources that meet WP:RS that have identified the band's sound as either alternative or nu metal.[3] -- StarScream1007  ►Talk  04:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

That is odd considering NONE of their songs have a sound that is remotely any kind of metal. To call Linkin Park Nu Metal is to say they are in some way similar in style to bands like Korn(said by many to be the creators of the nu metal sub-genre), Disturbed or System of a Down. Linkin Park is NOTHING like those bands. Linkin Park plays a totally different type of music than those other bands I mentioned. I'm not saying its a bad thing. I actually really like Linkin Park. I have all 3 of their albums that I have listened to many times. I have yet to hear a metal(or any sub-genre of metal)song on any of their albums. Hard Rock, Alternative Rock or Rap Rock is the best fit.--Jimv1983 (talk) 16:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that thethree-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains aconsensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. please stop edit warring jim WookieInHeat (talk) 22:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

anyone who's a fan would know Linkin Park is unlike any other. they are constantly changing (in a good way), and taking their music in a new ddirection. if anything there should be an entire genre that would be called "Linkin Park". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.52.213 (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Recent?

I propose remove the "(recent)" part after "alternative rock" in the genre field. This is ignoring some of Linkin Park's earlier songs that are alternative rock like Numb, In the End, Runaway, Breaking the Habit, well I could go on a bit more but those are the songs that have "alternative rock" listed on their articles. Anyone agree? ^Tezkag₇₂ 20:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the best thing (as it usually is) is to simply go with the sources. In this case, we have two sources terming their work "alternative rock", and both of those are reviews of Minutes to Midnight. So as things stand, the "recent" tag does fit. But if other sources could be found terming their older work alternative rock, then it could be removed without problem, I'd say. Prophaniti (talk) 14:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Screamo

Um, Should we list them as Screamo too? I mean if you listen to screamo, a couple of songs, like Given Up, Sound like Screamo, Just a thought.I mean Everyone I talk to considers them part screamo.Thanks and Peace Out—Permethius (talk) 13:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No, just one song and sections of a few others aren't enough to list it as a genre. And besides, there are plenty of other genres they use more than screamo that aren't listed. There's only two to preempt any edit wars over their genre. That's my two cents 15:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Screamo doesn't mean "music with screaming." Mason092 (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I always believed that screamo was a genre which consisted of nothing but screaming vocals. Kadin Schultz 08:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Its my belief that Screamo is both a distinct genre, which LP does NOT adhere to, and as the same time a vocal style which Chester Bennington is undisputedly a master at. His skills are rather impressive. I therefore think his Screamo style/influence should be mentioned. TheQw 08:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Linkin Park is not Screamo. Please go to the previous link and scroll to the near bottom of the page, with the header "Misuse of the term "screamo". and note the second sentence: "This is because many define screamo as any style of music that incorporates screamed vocals, claiming that the term "describes a thousand different genres." Also, while Screamo may be a genre, Screaming is a vocal style. In short, Screamo ≠ screamed vocals, however Screamo = a genre of music. --Thisisthewill (talk) 17:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Rap Rock & Rapcore

hey guys i'm a big fan of linkin park and i'm very interested in music genres! i don't think that rap rock hits the point very good, because it doesn't cover the hardcore influences in the music of the band! you can't deny that there is much hardcore influence in ht and meteora, so i think that there should be a mentioning of rapCORE in the styles or in the genres section! or you can let rap rock there and add hardcore, or hardcore influences into the styles! i even think that the metal influences from nu metal and the harcore influences could possibly be described as metalcore, so i would even find it possible to mention metalcore as influence or even as genre behing alternativ rock. so what do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added byLuffyGear2 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Rapcore is a style within hardcore punk which uses rap instead of the classic vocals and it dates back into the eighties & nineties with groups like Suicidal Tendencies (i.e. the song "Join the Army" in 1987), Sick of it all & Agnostic Front . Linkin Park are not Rapcore as they are not even a group that plays any form of Hardcore Punk other that the use of metalcore / screamo style vocals. Infact even Metalcore is supposed to be a sub-genre of Hardcore Punk and is short for "Metallic hardcore" the same way Emocore is short for "Emotional hardcore", but that another story and I don't want to upset the shallow naive metal fans who think anything noisy with agressive guitaring is a sub-genre of heavy metal music as they know nothing of the equally growing punk scene. They are naive to the fact that punk (hardcore especially) grew noisier, more energetic and more aggressive before metal did and actually influenced the evolved NWOBHM, Thrash Metal & Death Metal which were all groups taking the older traditional slower bluesier Heavy Metal and mixing it with the faster energetic guitar blasting punk. Punks were shouting, screaming and grunting vocals long before metal ever caught onto it.

Remember to sign your posts please. But you are part right, Punk did thrash and grunt long before metal. Look at the metal founding fathers,led zeppelin. But you are also wrong. Rapcore evolved from rapmetal, which evolved from metal. Metal bands took on a more rthm based lyrical form, and eventually turned much of the verses into a rap. Eventually people caught on and infused rap with other rock genre's, namely the beasty boys and limp bizkit thus creating rapcore.Drew Smith What I've done 14:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Genre

Damn, THEY ARE NOT NU METAL!!! I'm talking about the first sentence of the article - "Linkin Park are an American nu metal band..." Nu metal was only Hybrid Theory. Then, Meteora was 100% different from HT - it was something like alternative rock/alternative metal. And their last album - Minutes To Midnight - is... just rock. Or alternative rock, if you wish. So, they have only one nu metal album and it's their oldest album :) I'll change it into "Linkin Park are an American rock band" :) PS: Linkin Park 4ever :) Darkmastertr (talk) 16:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Oops, now I saw that I shouldn't change it without consulting here. OK, what's your opinion? You can't tell them "nu metal band" when their last (and first) nu metal album is from 2000... :) Darkmastertr (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Rock is fine, it includes all of their subgenres. That's my two scents 15:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hybrid Theory was great. Meteora was not quite as good but still quite enjoyable. I didn't like Minutes To Midnight at all when I first heard it but about 2/3 of the album really grew on my and I ended up liking most of that album. I am also looking forward to A Thousand Suns too. The point is I am a pretty big fan of Linkin Park and also a big fan of Metal. However, Linkin Park does not and never has had any similarities to metal or any of its sub-genres. --Jimv1983 (talk) 09:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Emo

Is LP also an EMO band?I asked it because it has made many sad songs,especially in METEORA which are very expressive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellerophon 691 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Is Linkin Park being classified as emo in several reliable sources? If not, they're not emo as far as Wikipedia is concerned.Timmeh! 17:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Just because they have lyrics that are stereotypically considered "emo", doesn't mean they are of the emo genre. Shan (talk) 01:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Linkin Park are not emo. Maybe they sound slightly emo. But their image and behaviour on an offstage doesn't reflect that at all121.91.81.202 (talk) 11:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay your post is super ignorant! There LOOK offstage and onstage mean theyre not emo ? WHat type of narr0w and close minder person r u ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by24.79.232.178 (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe we are even debating wether or not Linkin Park is 'Nu Metal' For the record, they are, and I believe they kept some of if not a majority or enough of their main ingridents on their debut albulm, which was clearly so crystally defined as 'nu-metal', and have since incoroporated those twice outing, and experimenting both times, but every one of thier CD's sounds like an Linkin Park Albulm, seriously, think about, thats all I'm wanting to say here, I'm just throwing in my two cents... MichAel —Preceding unsigned comment added by69.247.36.129 (talk) 06:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think this article does a very good job of classifying Linkin Park's genre. Their lyrics are negative, but that stems more from grunge and post-grunge from anything else. Emo really stems from pop-punk and ultimately from punk, far different from Linkin Park's rap, post-grunge, and metal influences (at least in their earlier, more numerous, years). Many people on this page want to impose their bias on this article, whether for their recent music, for their older music, or against all their music. However, as it stands, the genre bit is very, very good. For those who say Linkin Park was made by their record label, that's disproved in seconds; they had a version of Forgotten in 1996, years before they even came close to being signed by anybody. The recent claims by Linkin Park's members that they never were nu metal are also easily disproved if one listens to their music. This article went with the simplest answer: listen to their music and categorize it objectively. Sealpiano (talk) 18:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

A good group have the potential to be anything they want. They may initially have been emo, but their behaviour onstage and offstage, coupled with their exploration of new genres with tracks like "Bleed It Out" (in style) and "Not Alone" (lyrically) suggest that they are more "master craftsmen" than anything else. Valencio 16:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

For those discussion whether or not 'emo' should be added as a genre, please discuss it here. For additional discussion, see the talk page ofTalk:List of emo artists (Sorry - I don't know how to link directly to the appropriate section) where this has been discussed in depth as well.Caidh (talk) 00:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

ome of the references used by Unwich are contrary references - "Their are a large number of songs on the album that could be construed as “emo” but Linkin Park doesn’t really sway with the same beat as Dashboard Confessional or the other millions of emo kids." is from the motivelesscrime.com review of Minutes to Midnight.Caidh (talk) 00:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

there genre

yeah they are nu metal and alternative rock but i think more should be added to their genre. i think rapcore should be added as well as alternative metal and change rock ot nu metal because it wasnt just hybrid theory, meteora still had a nu metal sound as well as alternative metal. u should also add rap/rock. the best example of their rap/rock songs are In The End. i think that really works. Numb seems like alternative rock. Hit the floor seems rapcore. You should also add rap. Like hands held high. —Precedingunsigned comment added by Mixernack (talk •contribs) 04:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the genres in the infobox are fine as they are now, they don't need to be changed any further. Nu metal/rapcore because that was their primary style in their first few albums, alt rock because it's the predominant genre in MtM as well as a major subgenre in their earlier albums. They don't have enough alt metal songs to warrant the inclusion of this genre in the infobox. Jerkov (talk) 13:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Dare I say...industrial rock? Tezkag72 (talk) 02:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC).

"They don't have enough alt metal songs to warrant the inclusion of this genre in the infobox" They don't have ANY metal songs. Nu Metal and Alternative Metal (and any other kind of metal) does not belong in the info box for the band or any of their albums.--Jimv1983 (talk) 01:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a Suggestion

I think there should be a full bio of all the members since i love the band and i feel stupid when my friends are talking about the band and i know noting about it. *Marie* (talk) 06:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you should be a less pathetic person? This is hardly Wikipedia's fault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.4.151 (talk) 10:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you shouldn't bully other users based on a single line of text and do something constructive instead, like fixing said problem? Valencio 16:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

You tell him/her Valencio! Kadin Schultz 08:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC) —Precedingunsigned comment added by Kschu66 (talk •contribs)

Band Members

I think that Rob Bourdon and Dave Farrell's pages should be re-created. I don't know why they've been removed in the first place!!Ahmad halawani (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The Phoenix and Rob articles were redirected here because they did not meet Wikipedia's Notability standards for musicians. While the two are very popular figures, Wikipedia's policies will only allow a subject to maintain its own article if it possess enough substantial information, that can be verified by respected and reliable third-party sources (WP:N). The Shinoda and Bennington articles were different, since there were many sources that specially covered their early life, musical career, and personal information. For future reference to other editors, here are the AFDS:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Bourdon
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dave Farrell

Brad Delson and Mr. Hahn have been tagged for notability in the past, and can potentially lose thier articles in the future as well. :-\-- StarScream1007  ►Talk  20:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Why don't we integrate the info from those articles into this article as subsections? Bennington and Shinoda definitely should remain seperate though. Jerkov (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

not nu metal

i remember a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago i came across this page and there was a page describeing their sound i hadnt really read it but at the bottom it said that they said their not nu metal and had gave a reason. i belive there are but im just wondering where it went and why its gone? it was right next to the pictue of mike speaking into a mic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.237.121 (talk) 02:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC) Hybrid Theory and Meteora was NU Metal and both albums were incredible....--75.139.107.252 (talk) 05:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hybrid Theory was great. Meteora was not quite as good but I still really liked it. However neither one was Nu Metal. Korn, Disturbed, System of A Down and Slipknot are Nu Metal. Linkin Park is totally different. --Jimv1983 (talk) 09:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

new genre's in genre field

i added more genre's . and i have a source WHO KEEPS DELETING MY GENRE'S I HAD A SOURCE —Preceding unsigned comment added byMixernack (talk • contribs) 22:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Dave Farrell

Dave Farrell should be changed to Phoenix, or at the least Dave "Phoneix" Farrell. He is addressed as such not only by fans, but the BAND MEMBERS, is addressed that way in interviews, and is very rarely addressed as Dave Farrell. It doesn't really make much sense to refuse to call someone by their stage name simply because it's not their given name, even more so as he is known that way personally as well as professionally. The Edit Corrector (talk) 22:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Linkin Park; changed to a more moral route with their last album?

it seems that Linkin Park has change from their original "rap/rock about previous problems (hence "in the end it doesn't even matter" in their debut album smash hit "In the End") to a more morally influenced band (Hands Held High's "miss something, take back what's yours, say something that you know they might attack you for" which seems to be promoting opposition to oppression by the government). i think that this notable change in style must be added to the article under the "style" section or add an "evolution" section on how the band has changed both themselves and their fans over the years. GregCrudo (talk) 17:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Dead by Sunrise

Linkin park's front man Is currently working on another band called Dead by sunrise. He says it is a full band and not a side project. Coincidently they are working onn a new CD to be called Dead by Sunrise. Weather or not Linkin park will remain is to be seen. The CD is expected to be done by The end of 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added byAdultlink210 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The band is named Dead by Sunrise, and their album is named Out of Ashes. CollisionCourse (talk) 01:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Linkin Park will still stay whole, with no influence from Dead By Sunrise - it will not be the cause of any form of trajic split. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kschu66 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

years active

someone needs to edit their years active, almost like someone wanted to puposefully skewer their years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimuro (talk •contribs) 17:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The field is correct. The band was formed in 1996 and has been active ever since. Timmeh!_{(review me)} 17:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Session musicians

Kyle Christener and Scott Koziol are listed as session musicians in the Band Members section,while listed as former members in the infobox.I tried to modify appropriately,but the table markup has me lost.Please fix either one of the two.EaswarH (talk) 07:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

changed the first line

the first line of this page says there a rock band which doesn't quite make it i think. i changed it to something that makes more sense and plz dotn change it without giveing a reason not to —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixernack (talk • contribs) 00:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The lead section should show only general information. I believe there was a dispute in the past over what genre to include in the lead, and it was settled that the most general one should be shown. As you can see here, the main part of the article goes into more detail with regard to the genre and musical style. Timmeh 00:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, the second paragraph of the lead goes into more detail about the genres and musical styles. You must have missed that; I did as well.Timmeh 00:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Rock

Rock can be sourced at least 4 times for MTM alone and should be addedDuck610 (talk) 12:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding "rock" to the genre section would seem redundant. The very first sentence of this article is, "Linkin Park is an American rock band from Agoura Hills, California, formed 1996." Mentioning rock beyond this point does not really contribute much more information to this article. Thanks for the suggestion though. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  13:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

gotaa remember rock is not a specific genre. It just defines whether they're not another genre such as R&B. Rock in this article is an umbrella term for many other genres such as: It started with Rock and Roll, which evolved into Hard rock, Which became heavy metal then heavy metal was mixed with hip-hop and electronic music. Which gave birth to the new genre known as Nu-metal. Alternative metal was just a name for heavy metal with a different sound that couldn't really be defined. And thats why LP are a rock (rock=hard rock=heavy metal=alternatival metal) band.§121.91.81.202 (talk) 11:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Images

There are far too many images of Linkin Park at one place (the Finnish Sonisphere Festival) on this article, the user who attended this festival has uploaded over 4 images of them performing at the festival and exceeds out all the other images which depict the band (and band members alike) at different places attending something for different reasons, is there anyway to get at least two of these images of them at the Sonisphere Festival deleted? I prefer these two, they're both of Chester because there's already three images of him uploaded (exluding these two). —

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Rap metal

i don't understand why only rap rock is mentioned in the infobox and the styles section. linkin park clearly fuses the hip hop genre with metal music, so rap metal should be mentioned. and when you want some sources, you can easily find three or more sources (including a source from rolling stone and allmusic) in which linkin park is suscribed as a rap metal band, so it has to be mentioned!!!--LuffyGear2 (talk) 11:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Rap metal is a subgenre of rap rock. There's no need to mention both. Just rap rock is sufficient and covers rap metal. Timmeh (review me) 14:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

ahaha uuuh nooo you idiot how about you look up rap rock and rap metal here on wikipedia and youll see how theyre completely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by24.79.232.178 (talk) 22:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Metal is a sub-set of rock. And please stop the flaming. Sealpiano (talk) 18:08, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The genre has been changed to Rap Metal. I don't understand why, if Rap Rock covers it, they why was it changed? Has anyone else noticed this? --Mazi0y507:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Nu metal

Where are the sources?--Matthew Riva (talk) 17:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

They're in the musical style section. Timmeh 21:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

there are plenty of soures220.245.148.53 (talk) 07:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. In things like their spiel on iTunes and suchlike, they're described as being variously a "metal", "nu-metal", "rock" and "rap rock" band (I'm drawing from all over here). I'm not entirely sure why nu-metal seems to be selected as "they're this genre". They're harder to place than that. Valencio 16:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

New LP Album Update

Can't edit the page, but Chester Bennington (LP, Dead By Sunrise) did a radio interview promoting his DBS project, and was asked about LP's new album. He cited that they are currently in the studio, and are looking to have their new album out in the first half of 2010.

Radio show excerpt with Chester can be found here: http://www.1029thebuzz.com/zigz/ZIGZandCHESTER.mp3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny Jitsu (talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't it say this somewhere?...

They were the latest of the the (Wikipedia) best-selling artists list to begin releasing music (also the only one that began [releasing] in the 2000s). Doesn't that deserve a mention?67.82.181.237 (talk) 20:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, if you can find a reliable source to back up that claim. Timmeh 21:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Over 60 million records???=

Highly dubious statement. The maximum LP could have sold is around 50 million, including Reanimation and Collision Course. Any references??? (talk) 8 January 2010 6:03 P.M. (UTC)

Added up the numbers here and in fact, they have sold in excess of 64 million records. The OP is correct. We should cite the previously linked page. --Thisisthewill (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

8-bit Rebellion

The band has announced that it is producing a game titled '8-bit Rebellion', to be released in the near future for the iPod Touch andiPhone. The game will include a new song which is unlocked as different tracks which come together. References:[4] and [5]Ts4079

(talk) 10:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC) actually it's not a "new" track. on the trailer it says "previously unreleased track", which means it was probably from the time of Hybrid Theory or Meteora. So they might not have changed the genre. i recommend change the statement "new track" to "previously unreleased track".Agreed. Also, it's from the Minutes to Midnight era. Mike has stated that multiple times.

Also, the game is being released on the iPad.—Preceding unsignedcomment added by 68.50.179.65 (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

yea n da games released today (april 26th)

Blackbirds

I can't edit the page, so I'll mention this here... The song was leaked onto the internet on April 25, 2010. Think it's worth a mention.--A12345678910poo (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

This should be part of "New LP Album Update" since (I presume) the song is coming from their up-coming album. TheQw 08:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added byTheQw (talk • contribs)

"Mr. Hahn"

Given we refer to Phoenix (who's actually credited on the albums under his stage name) by his real name as well, wouldn't it be appropriate to do the same for Joe Hahn? I'd change the Band Members section myself, but the page is locked, so... Valencio16:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Hans Zimmer

I'm too lazy to make an account and edit the main Linkin Park page myself, but this annoys me: someone change Hans Zimmer's description from "successful film composer" to "film composer." The adjective "successful" is unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.91.78.153 (talk) 03:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Emo

Linkin Park is, without a doubt, an emo band.

1. This review from New York Times says "Linkin Park’s hip-hop and turning instead to grunge, emo and power ballads."
2. This review from Rolling Stone says "Ashes is slightly redeemed by ballads like "In the Darkness," which bears a resemblance to the winning emo turn Linkin Park took on the Rick Rubin- produced Minutes to Midnight (2007)."
3. source from Spin describes Minutes to Midnight "a somber, virtually rap-free, and, at times, emo leaning."
4. This review from Motiveless Crime says "Their are a large number of songs on the album that could be construed as emo”
5. This review from Spin says "The arena-emo hooks are still there, of course, as lead single "What I've Done" proves."

--Unwish (talk) 12:52, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Some great sources, and I'd completely agree with you (although a good band can make any music, and even mediocre bands are hard to simply drop into "pigeonhole" genre categories). If you cite those sources, I don't see why it shouldn't be changed. Brother Valencio (talk) 16:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

These references, contradictory and referring to bands other than Linkin Park are not enough to justify a change.

1. From the NY Times Review, "But Mr. Bennington wrote the songs for Dead by Sunrise, and they are rockers, completely setting aside Linkin Park’s hip-hop and turning instead to grunge, emo and power ballads." This refers to Dead by Sunrise turning to emo, not Linkin Park.
2. The second article, from the http://www.heffee.com/article/790895 link also refers to Dead by Sunrise.
3. The first Spin references refers to Linkin Park as 'at times, emo-leaning'. That's not the same as saying they are emo.
4. The Motiveless Crime link is contradictory. Saying there are some songs that "could be construed as “emo”" while in the same line saying it "doesn’t really sway with the same beat as Dashboard Confessional or the other millions of emo kids".

These do not justify a change.Caidh (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

This review doesn't refer to Dead by Sunrise, but to Linkin Park "which bears a resemblance to the winning emo turn Linkin Park took on the Rick Rubin- produced Minutes to Midnight (2007)." The two Spin articles and the one of Motiveless Crime clearly say that Linkin Park are emo. There are a lot of reliable sources so I'm going to add the emo genre.--Unwish(talk) 15:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Taking an emo turn does not mean they are an emo band. The heffee.com link is NOT referring to Linkin Park but is another review (from a site that does not appear to meet WP:RS of Dead by Sunrise. Motiveless Crime does not state they are emo. Read the source again. I do not believe someone's blog meets WP:RS either.Caidh (talk) 16:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Can we get some other opinions here? I don't want this issue to be just decided by two people (myself and Unwish. If some others who have worked on this article can chime in - it would be appreciated.Caidh (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I do not feel that the band should be labeled 'emo' in the lead paragraph or the infobox as it is too disputed/contested. However, I would really see no harm in mentioning some of these claims in the "Musical Style" section, which really deals with how certain media sources or critics interpreted the band's sound. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  02:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Again, the two Spin articles clearly say that Linkin Park are emo.--Unwish (talk) 17:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Again - no. "Emo-hooks" and "emo-leaning" does not mean they are an emo band. Influences? Perhaps. Primary genre? Absolutely not. Starscream1007's suggestion about mentioning that some consider them emo may be worth putting in the article. In the heading as a primary genre? Definitely not any reliable sources that state it in a close to definitive way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caidh (talk •contribs) 00:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a your point of view; there are reliable sources that describe Linkin Park as emo.--Unwish (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ijanu, 15 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Hi,

I would like to start translating popular pages to Maltese. I am Maltese and we don't have lots of pages with our translation.

Thanks

Ijanu (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: You will be autoconfirmed after 4 days or 10 edits, then you can edit it. SpigotMap 16:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

4th album

Why isn't there a page for Linkin Park's upcoming 4th album? there's plenty of information regarding what the band is saying it sounds like as well as the cryptic messages on their website related to the new album that are worth noting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.39.75.231 (talk) 15:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Please refer WP:Reliable Source and WP:Original Research - information may only be added to this article if it is sourced by a reliable/credible source. Fan Sites, Tweets, Blogs*, and stand alone images do not meet this criteria. To my understanding, this encyclopedia has become more lenient to information posted on blogs directly affiliated with official/reliable sources, but only as a secondary source (see WP:BLOGS). ty -- StarScream1007  ►Talk  03:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

But I also don't understand why there's no own article for the 4th upcoming Linkin Park album. I mean look at the future direction (2008-present) section, there is more than enough information from reliable sources (f.e. Mike's blog, linkinpark.com, twitter accounts of official band members and so on) to feed an own article for the album. The release is much likely (said by Amazon) in September, so in the next few days, weeks, months... there will be much information thrown out to the public, so there should be an own article, which summarizes those informations!!!--LuffyGear2 (talk) 17:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

if it helps i've seen somewere that the new album will be called 'A Thousand Suns' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.162.131(talk) 21:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the new album will be called 'A Thousand Suns' so can we change the 'future direction' subheading to the title name please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by86.144.84.170 (talk) 16:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The new album (A Thousand Suns)'s cover.

I found a pic of the new album's cover off of the forum on the LP site. Can someone please add this to the A Thousand Suns page? It won't let me do it. File:TheThousandSuns.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added byQWERTY531 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

As stated here, it is not an official image,this is fan made. Nor is itverifiable and the title of the album and single remains as speculation and nothing more as of present. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② ^talk 15:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

A Thousand Suns

It has been made offical that Linkin Park's new album will be called A Thousand Suns. An article needs to be created for this album. The last article was made when details of the new album were scarce. Now that it's official, the Wiki community needs to make an article. I made one and cited the resource but it got deleted. Please make one on the new album. Use the info on Linkin Park.com. It is on their blog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linkin Park rulz(talk • contribs) 19:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Thisisthewill, 18 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The last two sentences of the "A Thousand Suns (2008—present)" section are oddly phrased.

The first sentence reads: "On July 8, the band officially announced, that the new album is called A Thousand Suns coming out on September 14."

It would be better phrased as "On July 8, the band officially announced that their new album A Thousand Suns is due for release on September 14."

The second sentence reads "Also they revealed the title and the release date of its first single: The Catalyst coming out on August 2."

It would be better phrased as: "Simultaneously, the band revealed details of their first single off of the upcoming album. The single is entitled The Catalyst, and is due to be released on August 2."

Just some minor grammatical and syntactic changes.

Thanks,

Will

Thisisthewill (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks. Salvio( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 00:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request... Important one... Needs to be dealt with ASAP

It's a pretty obvious error. Just go down to A Thousand Suns. You can't miss it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.97.255.74 (talk) 21:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Their new Genre

A Thousand Suns genre is influenced by electronic rock and also this genre was featured more and more on each album.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdremix (talk) 21:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Hybrid Theory and Meteora: rap metal, nu metal.
Minutes to Midnight: alternative rock, nu metal ("No More Sorrow", "Given Up"), rap rock ("Bleed It Out").
A Thousand Suns: electronic rock, synthpop, alternative hip hop.
LP Sérgio LP ^msg 02:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Linkin Park is NOT metal.

I don't understand why people keep tagging Linkin Park or any of their albums as Nu Metal or Alternative Metal. Linkin Park is NOT and never was any form of metal. Instead of relying on metacritic maybe people should actually listen to the music. If metacritic listed country or jazz as a genre for Linkin Park would you take that as fact? I sure hope not. Hybrid Theory was hard rock/rap rock, Metorera was hard rock/alternative rock/rap rock, Minutes to Midnight was alternative rock/soft rock. Which one of these is not like the rest. Korn, Disturnbed, Linkin Park, Slipknot, System of a Down? Linkin Park because they play a totally different type of music than any of those other bands. Korn(thought by many to have created the nu metal genre) is nu metal. Disturbed is nu metal. System of a Down is nu metal. Slipknot is nu metal. This is not meant as an insult to Linkin Park. I'm actually a big fan of Linkin Park as well as all those actual nu metal bands I listed. Linkin Park is good but they are NOT metal. --Jimv1983 (talk) 17:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

As I have pointed out in a previous discussion, there are various online sources that have tagged Linkin Park as “nu metal” or “alternative metal” at some point in their history. Chester Bennington himself has [6] the band’s pre-“Minutes to Midnight “ sound as ‘nu-metal.’ Beyond meta-critic and allmusic, there are articles, reviews, and columns, which have referred to the band’s sound as “nu metal” and “alternative metal.” It is very seldom that one of the aforementioned bands will be labeled as just "metal" - they will often be categorized as nu metal or some derivative of metal. The genre section is supposed to be based on the opinion of the band itself OR other reliable sources – see WP:V. -- StarScream1007  ►Talk  18:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but we don't go by your opinion as to what genre a band should be considered. We let reliable sources/references do that (e.g. music publications, critics). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

If Linkin Park is metal why don't they have any similarities to any other metal bands. Korn, Disturbed, System of a Down and Slipknot are good examples of actual nu metal bands. Linkin Park isn't even remotely similar to anything metal in any aspect. Country and jazz are equally as accurate as metal when describing the genre of Linkin Park, why don't we use those? What sources are metacritic and allmusic referencing?--Jimv1983 (talk) 19:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Classifying Linkin Park as nu metal would put them in the same cateogry as Korn, Disturbed, System of a Down and Slipknot which are actual nu metal bands. Putting Linkin Park in the same genre as Korn, Disturbed, System of a Down and Slipknot is just ridiculous. Linkin Park is nothing like any of those bands. --Jimv1983 (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Again, whatever you think Linkin Park should be classified as is of absolutely no importance. Can you provide reliable, external sources that can back up any of your edits? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I just don't see how someone can put Linkin Park in the same genre as actual nu metal bands such as Korn, Disturbed, System of a Down and Slipknot when they are nothing alike. I've been listening to Linkin Park for almost 10 years and I have yet to hear a metal song from them. Maybe you should spend less time believing what allmusic.com and metacritic.com say and actually listen to the music more. Listen to Linkin Park then listen to some actual metal bands, anyone could tell the difference. Classifying Linkin Park as any form of metal is very misleading. It might cause people to think that Linkin Park sounds like metal which they obviously don't. I don't need a cited source to tell me that. --Jimv1983 (talk) 21:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Just one metal song from Linkin Park? I think I'll nominate "Given Up". I still don't see how your opinion is any more verifiable or reliable than a third-party reference. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 21:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

"Given Up"? Is that a joke? I figured you might have gone with something from Hybrid Theory. Although Hybrid Theory wasn't metal it the closest Linkin Park has ever gotten to metal. Each album got farther and farther away from being metal. I'm listening to "Given Up" right now. It's hard rock or alternative rock. Certainly not metal. Everything on Minutes To Midnight besides "Bleed It Out", "Given Up" and "What I've Done" is soft/alternative rock. A metal band that sounds nothing like metal. I guess there is a first time for everything.--Jimv1983 (talk) 21:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll say it again. Korn is nu metal. Disturbed is nu metal, System of a Down is nu metal, Slipknot is nu metal. Linkin Park is nothing like any of those bands. Korn, Disturbed, System of a Down, Slipknot, Slayer, Metallica, Mudvayne, Megadeth, Static-X, Black Label Society, Black Sabbath, Godsmack, Hatebreed, Hellyeah, Ozzy, Pantara, Powerman 5000, Rob Zombie, White Zombie, Marilyn Manson, Shadows Fall, DragonForce, Mastodon, Machine Head, Trivium and Cannibal Corpse. Those are metal(or one of it's sub genres) bands. I don't have "sources" that tell me that. I don't need sources for something like that. When you hear those bands you know they are metal because.....listen carefully this may get kind of confusing.....THEY SOUND LIKE METAL. As much as I like Linkin Park they don't sound like any form of metal. Why does everyone so easily just take what critics(like allmusic.com and metacritic.com) say as fact. Maybe a new genre should be created for Linkin Park. Metal that doesn't sound anything like metal. "Faux Metal" maybe. Seriously, before you hang on every word a critic says may you should actually listen to some metal. It's not that hard to tell the difference. To include Linkin Park in the metal genre would require a total re-definition of what metal is. --Jimv1983 (talk) 21:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this old analogy will make it easier to understand. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck it must be a duck. The reverse is also true. If it DOESN'T look like a duck, DOESN'T walk like a duck, and DOESN'T talk like a duck you sure as hell don't need a "reliable source" to tell you it isn't a duck. --Jimv1983 (talk) 01:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

On Wikipedia you do - especially when you are a minority opinion ;-) There are more sources (beyond allmusic and meta critic) online that back up the claim that Linkin Park is not some derivative of metal. If you can find several sources that says elsewise, then we can carry on this arguement. As Joker pointed out, there are polices that set the standard as to what material can be included on this encyclopedia. Please review WP:Cite and WP:RS. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  01:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

If Linkin Park is a metal band why do they not sound like a metal band at all? I listened to Hybrid Theory all the way though today and did not hear any metal music. I really don't think I am a minority opinion. metacritic and allmusic is hardly a majority. In the 8 years I've been listening to Linkin Park I have never once heard anyone describe them as metal. Metal that doesn't sound anything like metal. I never thought I'd see the day. You people are crazy. How would you classify Korn? Disturbed? System of a Down? Slipknot? They obviously are not the same genre as Linkin Park. There needs to be some new genre to seperate Linkin Park from bands that actually sound like metal to show that they are nothing alike. I'm trying to keep things accurate. I would like to make things as clear as possible. Saying Linkin Park is metal is misleading to readers. It would make readers expect to hear something that sounds like metal.--Jimv1983 (talk) 02:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Genre classification is subjective - If you head over to Encyclopeadia Metallum and asked them what they consider 'nu metal,' 90% of their user base will say 'not metal.' There are several metal sub-genres that are not necessarily based on a sound of music, but rather a 'scene' - ex black metal. On Wikipedia, we associate band's with genres based on the commentary of reliable sources. If you seem to disagree with the genres we are using to describe Linkin Park, then you are welcomed to as an editor and listener - we only ask you contribute to this encyclopedia while respecting its policies. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk 

"There are several metal sub-genres that are not necessarily based on a sound of music but rather a 'scene'." Judging by the label of Linkin Park as metal its obvious that no one cares about the definition of metal. --Jimv1983 (talk) 03:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Since no one here really knows anything about the band. I propose a different change. I think Korn's, Disturbed's, Slipknot's and System of a Down's (as well as all other nu metal bands) genre should be changed to something other than nu metal. Having Linkin Park as nu metal while actual nu metal bands like Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed and System of a Down are also labeled nu metal might give people the impression that they are all the same genre and therefore play similar types of music. If you have ever listened to any other nu metal band it would be quite obvious that they are on totally different ends of the rock spectrum. I am tired of this back and forth and want to resolve this issue but I have spent a lot of time listening to Linkin Park and to real metal and there is absolutely NO comparison between the two. How can we resolve this and still have an accurate description of the genre of the band? --Jimv1983 (talk) 03:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

i would glady stop reverting you and allow the genre change if your sources supported what you are claiming. thetwo websites you gave for your changes to linkin park don't even mention the word "metal", let alone "nu metal" or "alternative metal". WookieInHeat (talk) 04:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Exactly my point. My references do not mention "metal", "nu metal" or "alternative metal". Why would they list metal or any sub-genre when Linkin Park isn't any form of metal? Why would a site list all the genres the band isn't? That would be a pretty long list.--98.234.74.77 (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Of course they don't have to list every genre the band isn't in. The problem here is that there are references which have been previously provided that say that they are metal/nu-metal/whatever. The only way this is going to get changed (as far as I understand it) is if you were to give references, with meet WP:RS which clearly state that they are not part of the genres that you are trying to remove.Caidh (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Would you really expect to see an article specifically mention a genre that the band isn't. An article wouldn't say "Linkin Park is not metal." It would say "Linkin Park is alternative rock." The fact that the article does not state that they are metal implies that they aren't. Would you expect the page to say "Linkin Park is not country." as a requirement for them not being country? Of course not! If that was the case I could add country as a genre and list a bunch of sources that don't mention them not being country. Country was just an example. Linkin Park obviously isn't country but I thought I should clarify it was just an example as they obviously aren't metal either but now one seems to notice that. --Jimv1983 (talk) 01:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

"Obviously aren't metal"... can you please stop with the personal opinions and superlatives? There are a wealth of sources that call Linkin Park a "nu metal" or "alternative metal" band. That is why we want sources that say otherwise. No one has ever claimed Linkin Park is a "country" band, hence why no sources are needed to demonstrate this. BTW, just because they don't fit your definition of metal or are too dissimilar from metal bands you listen to, doesn't mean they don't fall under a subgenre of metal. Y2Kcrazyjoker4(talk • contributions) 16:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

This has got to stop. Most of you are engaging in fandom on some level. Fandom has no place in defining what genres best identify a band. Whether a specific song completely satisfies all of the conventions of a specific genre has *zero* place in defining what genres best describes the artist. An artist is not heavy metal because one or more songs on an album sound "heavy metal". The appearance of an album which is a stylistic departure from the bands earlier work is not a sure sign that the artist has adopted a new style. Pat Boone did a cover of heavy metal classics done in a lounge singing style. Johnny Cash covered Nine Inch Nails. Queen's "Stone Cold Crazy" was often cited as a penultimate influence by most first-generation thrash metal bands. Def Leppard was influenced heavily by glam rock artists like David Bowie, Queen, and T-Rex; yet the band itself was a major part of the NWOBHM. We ought to look at LP's self-described influences as a start. You need to throw out the artist's "sound" altogether initially. The fact is, pop rock has progressively gotten "harder" over the decades. If a band sounds "metal", it may just be because that is the conventional sound of most pop acts that are contemporary to that artist. In other words, if you are a musician, and the artists who influenced you were influenced by Metallica, Nirvana, or Nine Inch Nails, your music will very likely sound as hard, if not harder. I am a musician myself. My heavy metal influences were influenced by early hard rock and blues players. Thus, my own guitar sound is closer in line to Ritchie Blackmore than Dimebag. During one interview, the bands cites its major influences as Nine Inch Nails, Deftones, The Roots, Aphex Twin, and Depeche Mode. Thus, the band's roots lie in electronica and industrial. This doesn't mean LP is either. This gives us a very non-rap, non-metal starting point. I disagree with labeling LP a rap act by any convention. Their music has hip-hop features because those features are common to the contemporary post-alternative rock sound. The use of rap is the same as the use of growling or the use of heavy gain distortion. These are all features of a hybrid fusion music type. Nu Metal has been an appropriate label for classifying bands like LP, but the label is as meaningful as "punk rock" "Alternative Rock is a better label all around as it respects the various genre-specific features of LP's music without pigeon-holing the artist. -- Anthony K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.244.96(talk) 06:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Linkin park genre removal

Linkin park is absolutely rap rock. The recent edits by Spatulli remove this for no verifiable reason, even though the genre has been on this article for over a year (and probably much longer). I am readding the genre.Caidh (talk) 12:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

A Thousand Suns VMA Performance

In this article and in the specific article on A Thousand Suns, it states that the location of Linkin Park's VMA performance was secret until broadcast. This is patently untrue and should be corrected. I revealed the location on Buddyhead.

http://www.buddyhead.com/rebels-without-a-single-clue-linkin-park-are-going-to-play-griffith-observatory-for-the-vmas/

Additionally, James Montgomery at MTV admitted as much in the article about the performance.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1647704/20100913/linkin_park.jhtml

--Tania cinque (talk) 21:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)