Talk:Link (The Legend of Zelda)/Archive 5
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Too much in-universe detail
There is too much plot detail on games Link is involved in. Would it be alright with you guys if I removed these irrelevant details?- (Wikipedian1234 (talk) 02:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC))
- I think it would help if you changed it from focusing on the games story(like ALttP was) to more of what Link actually does in the game. After all, this is an article about Link, not the games he was in. I rewrote Mario's whole appearance section, because it was talking about the actual games, and diddnt focus on Mario. Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Images (2009 discussion)
This article currently uses too many images of character artwork and no images of in-game depictions of Link, which in my opinion is more important to understanding the character. I suggest the following images be used:
- Twilight Princess character artwork, due to being the most detailed.
- Screenshot of a classic, top-down depiction of Link from original game with commentary on it being his first appearance.
- Screenshot of Ocarina of Time with commentary on Link's first depiction in 3D.
- Screenshot of Windwaker with commentary on the controversy of Link being cel-shaded.
I feel with these four images one conveys the most information with a justifiable number of free-use images. Opinions?--Remurmur (talk) 19:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I would add the official artwork for TLoZ due to
itthe video game not being very detailed. It would also give a clear comparison to how the artwork has changed to Twilight Princess.陣内Jinnai 03:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)- I have edited and removed most of the images. I realize there was an older consensus on the Phantom of the Hourglass image being first, but a screenshot of the game would suffice for that or windwaker as the artstyles are different. However, for the infobox, the original creation is preferred. And for PotH a screenshot of the game could give the overall look of compared to what Links looks like currently.
- Finally the number of artwork images did probably violate WP:FAIR USE.陣内Jinnai 20:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree with using Twilight Princess over Phantom Hourglass. Phantom Hourglass shows a drastic design change while Twilight Princess shows merely a natural evolution of the character design. It gives readers less insight into the contents - on top of all that, we all know about how poorly received the design was (initially mostly), so once the reception section actually covers this reception, the cartoony Link design would fit in far more easily and be a better visual demonstration than the Twilight Princess Link. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 10:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- where is the cel-shaded wind waker link. i mean, everyone hated it, but i kind of liked it and its not like the guy talks much about himself. so if somebody wants to go crazy with images then i don't see the problem. 97.102.99.207 (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- I believe that the Phantom Hourglass artwork should be displayed in the infobox. As Phantom Hourglass is the newest released Zelda game, this version of Link would be the most recognizable. NintendoNerd777 (talk) 04:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree with the "newest should always come first". I think the image used in the lead is the best to use, and the Twilight Princess image should be replaced. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think there needs to be some old and some new. It should show the classic Link, like the lead image is now, but also show some new incarnations of Link, including a "cartoon-style Link", like in PH. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree with the "newest should always come first". I think the image used in the lead is the best to use, and the Twilight Princess image should be replaced. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I believe that the Phantom Hourglass artwork should be displayed in the infobox. As Phantom Hourglass is the newest released Zelda game, this version of Link would be the most recognizable. NintendoNerd777 (talk) 04:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- where is the cel-shaded wind waker link. i mean, everyone hated it, but i kind of liked it and its not like the guy talks much about himself. so if somebody wants to go crazy with images then i don't see the problem. 97.102.99.207 (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree with using Twilight Princess over Phantom Hourglass. Phantom Hourglass shows a drastic design change while Twilight Princess shows merely a natural evolution of the character design. It gives readers less insight into the contents - on top of all that, we all know about how poorly received the design was (initially mostly), so once the reception section actually covers this reception, the cartoony Link design would fit in far more easily and be a better visual demonstration than the Twilight Princess Link. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 10:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure about this, but....
Considering that 2006 was the end of the sixth generation of games, shouldn't 2002-present be renamed 2002-2006 and there be a new section named 2007-present?--190.205.203.172 (talk) 17:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- When the Wii was released three years ago a new era in video gaming has been quite receptive since, therefore, 2002-present should be retitled 2002-2005; the newest section that I'd rather see proposed is 2006-present. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, since the Xbox 360 was launched on May 2005, the new generation began then, not in 2006. Even the article here on wikipedia states "For home consoles, the seventh generation began on November 22, 2005 with the release of Microsoft's Xbox 360". So in any case it should be 2000-2004 and 2005-present. Yet I believe that it should be categorized according to the changes in the perception of Link, and as such it should be from the release of Twilight Princess (2006, which coincides with the Wii launch at laest year-wise)since it portrays the last incarnation of Link so far (Phantom Hourglass is just the continuation of the Wind Waker Link, not a "new" Link) . Veritiel (talk) 18:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Phrases
"no Zelda game to date has contained substantial spoken dialogue, the part consists only of short phrases, grunts, battle cries, and other sounds" What are the short phrases he's ever said? I can only think of "HI" (or more probably 'hai' in Japanese.) in windwaker. Even that's not a phrase. Just a word.129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
In Wind Waker, in the Tower of the Gods dungeon, Link yells "Come on!" to call a statue. Plus, Midna in Twilight Princess does have full dialogue, except it's all in "Twili", so we can't understand her. 72.241.19.67 (talk) 21:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Phrygian Cap
In this article by GamePro, they call his hat, the Phrygian Cap. I thought it was funny. http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/208935/video-game-hats-the-17-best-pieces-of-headwear-in-gaming/
Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Link references in other media
Link is referenced or spoofed in some way in media quite a bit, so surely it's worth mentioning in a paragraph? There's Linken in World of Warcraft Xandir in Drawn together I'm sure there're many more too...
It's not much but it explains Link's influence & popularity in modern media. --Kurtle (talk) 14:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
- So long as citations are added to back up these claims, there shouldn't be a problem with setting it up. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda's Chronology section says that TP is set centuries after OoT, not decades. That aside, TP is confirmed to be taking place in an alternate timeline, so it is not between OoT and Wind Waker. The information in the article is outdated. As Aonuma later said, "It is a world 100 and something years after Ocarina of Time. ... The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link leaps to a world seven years later, defeats Ganon, and then returns to the child era, right? Twilight Princess is the world 100 and something years after peace is restored in the child era." 207.216.208.68 (talk) 21:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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Name
What is the origin of the name Link? 169.233.59.10 (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- I am not sure if it says it in the article, but players were supposedly supposed to change his name. Link was the default because it was a link between the player and the game (or something like that). Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- Lincoln green?Notamisfit (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
A few more sources that you might use for Reception
- http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-hero/standings/index.html
- http://www.ugo.com/games/top-10-video-game-characters-screwed-over
Via Internet Archive:
--Niemti (talk) 09:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Sidebar Image Description
The caption for the sidebar image states the picture is official artwork. I believe that particular image actually comes from a strategy guide and that the official artwork featured a much shorter Link. Or rather I should say at least the American manual booklet featured illustrations of a much shorter Link. I cannot provide proof of the strategy guide since the only scans I have ever found were of the cover and of that single image, which in no way proves the image is connected with the strategy guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.168.223 (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Machinima love affair inclusion
[Niemti] would like this line to be included in the article: "That same year, the relationship between Zelda and Link topped machinima.com's list of top love affairs in gaming.[1] I undid his edit because I do not find it notable enough to include. Niemti reverted me saying that its notable enough because the channel has 7 million subscribers. After, I will finish writing this topic I will revert Niemti again referring him to this talk page. The reason that I do not find this video and opinion notable enough to include.
- The video has not a lot of views compared to a lot of of other videos on machinima. 363,316 at the moment that I am posting this. Its well below the top 300 videos on the channel.
- The reception section has already a mention about the zelda and link relationship.
- The reception section is already filled with many reliable sources. I do not see adding this video as part of the reception adding anything new too it.
However, I am more then willing to compromise or to just include it if there is another argument then that machine has over 7 million subscribers. Or if there is consensus by several contributers to put it in. NathanWubs (talk) 23:30, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
References
Voice actor in Super Smash Bros 4
Nintendo released videos depicting the character's new appearances and moves in Super Smash Bros. 4 (Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U) and it sounds like Link is being voiced by Akira Sasanuma. On one hand, it does make sense, given that his appearance is a combination of his Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword looks. On the other hand, I thought that Takashi Ohara would reprise the role. Do you have any confirmation about this? Leader Vladimir (talk) 23:39, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Images
Main image
Should we change the article's main image? As a videogame character, Link has undergone many changes, so perhaps the image should be from one of his most recent games. Leader Vladimir (talk) 00:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- I think we should keep the one we have for the very reason. He is constantly being redesigned, the infobox image would change constantly.Lucia Black (talk) 06:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- The pic we have now is from an old videogame, an outdated version. Mario, Sonic and a lot of other characters have pics that represent their most recent design. Even Zelda and Ganon have pics from their Twilight Princess versions. Why is Link the exception? Leader Vladimir (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- He isn't an exception; there is no rule that lead to Mario or Sonic's images to change. What leads them to change is the idea that images must be updated on a regular basis. Is the Link model used in the infobox so dated that using it in lieu of Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword Link is harmful? I don't think so.
- To hijack the discussion, I do feel that Ocarina of Time Adult Link (shooting the arrow pose) should be added, and the cel-shaded Link image should be replaced by a comparison between the Space World incarnation of Link and an in-game depiction of cel-shaded Link from the GameCube edition of The Wind Waker. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 12:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
- The pic we have now is from an old videogame, an outdated version. Mario, Sonic and a lot of other characters have pics that represent their most recent design. Even Zelda and Ganon have pics from their Twilight Princess versions. Why is Link the exception? Leader Vladimir (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- We could have the image of all the Links to date that was featured in Hyrule Historia as the lead image (if it fits).Lucia Black (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- Can I see it? I just wanna see what it looks like before I agree. :v - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 06:48, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- We could have the image of all the Links to date that was featured in Hyrule Historia as the lead image (if it fits).Lucia Black (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
@New Age Retro Hippie and Leader Vladimir: What do you think?Lucia Black (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2014 (UTC) I can't find one without it being on the cover of Hyrule Historia and as a complete image at the same time. If it could be modified, then perfect. but here's the image [1]. Let me know if its doable.Other images include some form of timeline with various Links on it.Lucia Black (talk) 06:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- I like it. It would enable us to use only one FU image. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 02:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- Me too. It seems a good image to solve the impasse "classic vs. modern". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps one more vote just to feel secure that this is a strong consensus. Also, not. So good at cropping. Images so perhaps someone with better experiance can.Lucia Black (talk) 07:51, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- I think it would look great. Leader Vladimir (talk) 15:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps one more vote just to feel secure that this is a strong consensus. Also, not. So good at cropping. Images so perhaps someone with better experiance can.Lucia Black (talk) 07:51, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- Me too. It seems a good image to solve the impasse "classic vs. modern". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
gameplay shots
I think that now, we should worry about gameplay shots. I think we should have something from the original Zelda and Ocarina. Opinions? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:56, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- I think we should have a side by side by side comparison of the original Legend of Zelda, Link (adult) in OoT as the first 3D legend of Zelda and Wind waker as the first (and possibly the only) 3D cel-shaded Legend of Zelda.Lucia Black (talk) 00:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Gameplay images
I think that we should remove the Mario Kart 8 image - ironically the only gameplay of Link in the article - with two gameplay images - one of Link from the original game, and one of Link from Ocarina of Time. Thoughts? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 03:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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Gender of Link in Breath of the Wild
Link is referred to as a girl in Breath of the Wild, so she should be referred to as such in the Wikipedia article. --Goclonefilms (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with Link being female. But isn't strange that he/she would start the game with no shirt on if that were the case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.198.45 (talk) 02:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Actually Eiji Aonuma stated that "Link is definitely a male" So I believe that is just facts. That screenshot is simply stating that Link passes for a girl in that disguise. http://time.com/4369537/female-link-zelda/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.198.45 (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
In absolutely no way is he called a girl. Nor is he Transgendered. They're mocking how effeminate his Bishonen character design looks. KiTA (talk) 15:49, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
No original research. All claims must be backed up by reliable sources. In this case, unless game journalists make commentaries about it, this should not be in the article. 16:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. See compelling opposition arguments and community consensus for the series name qualifier. ♥Happy ♥Hearts ♥Day! (closed by page mover) Paine Ellsworth put'r there 07:03, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Link (The Legend of Zelda) → Link (character) – This seems to be the only article about a fictional character named "Link". Steel1943 (talk) 00:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:35, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Link (fictional orangutan) is also a fictional character. So is Link in Stone Cold (Swindells novel), oh and List_of_minor_characters_in_the_Matrix_series#Link... In ictu oculi (talk) 01:55, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Right, but they don't have articles, so besides supporting my own proposal, I wonder if that is enough to validate a title name change, given that it would with song/album-based articles. Steel1943 (talk) 02:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well the orangutan has an article in that the film is named after him. Personally I can't see the benefit of hiding "(The Legend of Zelda)" since it tells us what the article is. Wheras Link (character) could be anything. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:44, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Besides, Link has also appeared in other games outside of The Legend of Zelda. -- Tavix (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- For someone outside the game player world that doesn't look very convincing. A quick search just shows Nintendo doing a few cross promotions between the Legend of Zelda product and the Mario product. And it still isn't clear what the benefit of removing the most distinctive thing in the title is. Prior to this RM if anything I would have seen "Link (character)" and thought Brendan Fraser. Surely Mario players know that the Legend of Zelda fairy is a Nintendo product from another franchise? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose. When I hear "Link (character)", the very first thing that comes to mind is Encino Man. bd2412 T 01:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose I've now reviewed the use of the (character) dab a bit more since this first appeared at RM and now think it should be avoided. It seems to only make sense with Game of Thrones/Ice and Fire cases where characters overlap two franchises. In other cases, the franchise dab is far better for WP:CRITERIA In ictu oculi (talk) 10:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose I was confused on this as well, but it seems the policy is to only use (character) when the series is eponymous with the character.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:09, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Correction, yes Zxcvbnm is correct. It is either (a) overlapping franchises, or (b) when the series is eponymous with the character. Thanks for that. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:18, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose current title is following WP:NCVGDAB #7 which specifically advises using the series name as a disambiguator. -- Netoholic @ 11:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hero image
Going by the articles for Zelda and Ganondorf, it makes little sense for Link's main article image to be a gallery of Links where you have to squint to make each one out. Not to mention Breath of the Wild Link isn't in there. I updated the hero image to Link's Smash Ultimate depiction and moved the arrangement of multiple Links further down into Appearances where it makes more sense, but the update was reverted wholly and now the Smash Link image is floating out of use and in risk of deletion. I'd like to move to reverse the article to the state I placed it in; while a variety of Link depictions is nice, that simply doesn't work for the first image one is to look at when pulling his article up. Plus it'd just be good practice to be consistent with Zelda and Ganondorf. Buh6173 (talk) 04:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Images (2009 discussion), and Images (2014 discussion) sections provide relevant context. If you need further input consider waiting at least a couple days for responses here or asking the Wikiproject for another consensus. « Ryūkotsusei » 14:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- The 2009 discussion does not appear to have ever been resolved, while the 2014 discussion was decided upon just by four people. And again, the collage image does not include Breath of the Wild Link, which is the most recent incarnation and most publicized in the past couple years (as well as the one in Ultimate). And yet again, the collage concept doesn't work when Zelda and Ganondorf and other "multiple incarnation" characters aren't going the same route. Buh6173 (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- It's been two days with no responses. If you have any contention, please actually discuss before making a blanket undo. Buh6173 (talk) 18:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
- The problem with the current picture is that it doesn't come from any official installment of The Legend of Zelda franchise. Even if the previous pic was outdated, it did come from the series' official lore. Leader Vladimir (talk) 17:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Since we should avoid using images from spin-offs, should we use an image of Link from a screenshot in BoTW instead? --Atomicdragon136 (talk) 01:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- The problem with the current picture is that it doesn't come from any official installment of The Legend of Zelda franchise. Even if the previous pic was outdated, it did come from the series' official lore. Leader Vladimir (talk) 17:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- It's been two days with no responses. If you have any contention, please actually discuss before making a blanket undo. Buh6173 (talk) 18:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
- The 2009 discussion does not appear to have ever been resolved, while the 2014 discussion was decided upon just by four people. And again, the collage image does not include Breath of the Wild Link, which is the most recent incarnation and most publicized in the past couple years (as well as the one in Ultimate). And yet again, the collage concept doesn't work when Zelda and Ganondorf and other "multiple incarnation" characters aren't going the same route. Buh6173 (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Cleanup tag
While this is only a C-class article, I thought it relevant to tag this. It's long-winded, repetitious, badly organized, and full of cruft and trivia. (How many times does the article need to mention that Link was originally left-handed and is not anymore? Why is a fake fan film being mentioned here?) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:00, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
The Biggest Hoax in Legend of Zelda:Orcarina of Time for N64
I was actually doing some research for the Luigi in SM64 but I came across this. It was actually about a New Song and a New Temple in Orcarina of Time. A lady named Ariana Almandoz, a gamer from Colombia, had all the details, but she wasn’t quite ready to share them with the world but she confused all Legend of Zelda Fans because Triforce is a big thing in the Legend of Zelda Games.She started this in Hyrule:The Legend Of Zelda (also known as HTLOZ)if you want to see those Archives Click Here.She started by commenting in the HTLOZ that she got the Triforce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CreeperMarioForLegendOfZeldaGames (talk • contribs) 22:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
There's more than one Link
This page refers to all the Legend of Zelda protagonists as if they're all the same character. They're not. They're not even all in the same universe. Can someone fix that? — DanielLC 07:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- The second sentence of the article reads "He appears in several incarnations over the course of the games".
- Link, Zelda, Ganon, etc, are a troupe of recurring characters that appear in multiple incarnations.
- Appearing in different stories with mis-matching, or partially-matching continuities does not automatically make them different characters. (For example, Robin Hood appears in many stories that overlap and contradict one another, but it's the same character, just different incarnations of that character.)
- Stories can be messy like that, and that's fine. The article is correct.
- ApLundell (talk) 07:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- Apart from retcons and continuity errors, they are not mismatching continuities. All the games take place within a single branching timeline. Ganon (also known as Ganondorf) is one person who has returned multiple times, and each time he was fought off by a different Hyrulean princess and a different left-handed hero clad in green. They just happened to all have the same name. To put it another way, this isn't like Barry Allen from New Earth and Barry Allen from Prime Earth, where they're different universes' versions of The Flash. It's like Barry Allen from New Earth and Wally West from New Earth, where they're two different people in the same universe who both happen to go by the name The Flash. Zelda is more clear with this, with the Princess Zelda from the original Legend of Zelda and the one from Zelda II: Adventure of Link both being alive at the same time in the same timeline. — DanielLC 09:18, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- The "single branching timeline" theory was invented by fans. Years later, the creators blessed it, but they don't really follow it. It's just a fan thing.
- But that's irrelevant, Even if we decide to treat that as gospel, it doesn't change the fact that it's all still different iterations of the same character.
- It's OK if two of them are "alive at the same time". Stories can work like that. The article is correct.
- (If it helps, think of it this way : What kind of story commonly has overlapping tales featuring a recurring cast of beloved characters? Characters all ostensibly in the 'same universe' but who keep appearing in times and places such that all the stories couldn't possibly be literally true? Legends. )
- ApLundell (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- "it doesn't change the fact that it's all still different iterations of the same character."
- What exactly does that mean? Are Barry Allen and Wally West different iterations of the same character? If I look at two different individuals from a given franchise, how can I tell if they're different characters or just different iterations of the same character? — DanielLC 20:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- Apart from retcons and continuity errors, they are not mismatching continuities. All the games take place within a single branching timeline. Ganon (also known as Ganondorf) is one person who has returned multiple times, and each time he was fought off by a different Hyrulean princess and a different left-handed hero clad in green. They just happened to all have the same name. To put it another way, this isn't like Barry Allen from New Earth and Barry Allen from Prime Earth, where they're different universes' versions of The Flash. It's like Barry Allen from New Earth and Wally West from New Earth, where they're two different people in the same universe who both happen to go by the name The Flash. Zelda is more clear with this, with the Princess Zelda from the original Legend of Zelda and the one from Zelda II: Adventure of Link both being alive at the same time in the same timeline. — DanielLC 09:18, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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Link’s last appearance
Link’s last appearance should be updated to The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword HD. Jdietr601 (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Rewrite tag
A quick scan through this shows that the article does need some work, specifically:
- some minor restructuring
- removal of fancruft
- checking sources (I've just found one that links (!) to a casino site) and adding missing ones
Will need to review the whole page. Fieryninja (talk) 07:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- Wow, the Characteristics section is just awful - Missing refs, some content written in-universe, an unsourced section about Link's titles, and an entire paragraph devoted to whether Link is right or left handed. This will need a complete rewrite. Fieryninja (talk) 17:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- I can't seem to find more reception about Link or it's just me being bad. I think I've placed some of the images correctly in the appearance section while seeing Mario. GeeJay24 (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- GeeJay24 I see you have made a huge amount of edits to this page but you haven't left any edit summaries. This makes it quite difficult to understand what changes you have made and it's difficult for me to review the page as a whole. Can you make sure you always add an edit summary and discuss any major changes to the page here first. Thanks Fieryninja (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, Most of the edits were on appearances section and I did changed the layouts and copied the pattern on Mario article. GeeJay24 (talk) 06:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- GeeJay24 replying to your question about the Reception section, I think we need to find more sources that discuss various aspects of Link's character, e.g. the trope of the male role saving the princess, that kind of thing, not just the fact that he is a memorable character. There may be both positive and negative aspects that can be added, but they must be from reliable sources. Fieryninja (talk) 06:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- GeeJay24 I see you have made a huge amount of edits to this page but you haven't left any edit summaries. This makes it quite difficult to understand what changes you have made and it's difficult for me to review the page as a whole. Can you make sure you always add an edit summary and discuss any major changes to the page here first. Thanks Fieryninja (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- I can't seem to find more reception about Link or it's just me being bad. I think I've placed some of the images correctly in the appearance section while seeing Mario. GeeJay24 (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Ordering appearances list by 2D and 3D
I'm not convinced that the recent reordering of the appearances list is appropriate for The Legend of Zelda and for Link. The edit was made to mimic the approach at Mario but it doesn't necessarily naturally fit with Link in the same way for the following reasons:
- The page is about Link and his evolution from 1986 to present. Ordering the list by 2D and 3D does not facilitate this evolution in a chronological way.
- The ordering by 2D and 3D works for Mario because it is largely chronological. This is not the same for Link, as the reordering has made the list rather confused in terms of release dates.
- Readers will either be interested in Link's development in terms of release date or in terms of the official fictional timeline and neither is facilitated by this approach.
I suggest that the list is restored to a chronological approach by release date as Link has evolved significantly over the course of each game release. Any comments welcome. Fieryninja (talk) 21:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- You're free to change everything. Seeing your decent works, Im fine with all of your changes. Also, Fieryninja I apologize if my attempted help on the article wasn't helpful. GeeJay24 (talk) 22:23, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- GeeJay24 It's no problem at all. Everyone can contribute and we can discuss any big changes here to ensure the best approach. I'm glad that we agree. Fieryninja (talk) 06:22, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Clean up complete for now
Most of the clean up work is finished for the moment. (I can't believe Link has been so neglected). I think the main aspects of the character have been covered so it shouldn't need much of an update until BOTW2. All the content should be sourced, unless I have missed anything. I have eradicated all the fictional timeline stuff because its confusing and not relevant. I will probably do more work on the appearances section, because it needs to focus more on the character. If any problems are spotted, feel free to msg me and I will see what I can do to fix them. Fieryninja (talk) 11:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
HD remasters
I'm not convinced it is worth listing the HD remasters as separate entries for Link's appearances. There is nothing really significant to say about the character for these entries and the list of games is already long. It may even be more confusing for a casual reader as it doesn't correspond with the number of entries in the lead. I think these can be removed and maybe just be added in brackets as a wikilink eg. (and its 2020 HD remaster). Fieryninja (talk) 09:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- No comments, so done. Fieryninja (talk) 16:36, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Missing appearances
Some The Legend of Zelda games in which Link appears have been forgotten in the Appearances and evolution section. It's the case of the following:
- The Legend of Zelda Game & Watch (1989);
- The Legend of Zelda Game & Watch (2021);
- The Nelsonic Game Watch (Zelda) (1989).
Other references to Link have also been omitted, such as his cameo in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, or his pixel arts in My Nintendo Picross: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, to name a few. BS The Legend of Zelda (1995) and BS The Legend of Zelda: Ancient Stones Tablets (1997) could also be mentionned, as the main character in these games (the Hero of Light) is designed to be extremely similar to Link. Leasticiou (talk) 21:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for highlighting these. You are welcome to contribute these if you can find reliable sources for them. Sometimes this can be challenging if it's just a cameo part.Fieryninja (talk) 21:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- These missing appearances have all been added now and Super Mario RPG was already listed. I'm not sure whether we should mention the BS Zelda games because the character is not specifically named as Link as stated in the article Satellaview games from The Legend of Zelda series. Any other missing appearances feel free to list them here and I will try to source them. Fieryninja (talk) 00:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Squished image?
Excuse my lack of technical knowledge but the infobox image appears distorted. Can anyone explain why this is and what can be done to fix it? Fieryninja (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 14:51, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Upon a cursory glance this does look to be well-written and comprehensive. Comments will follow soon. ♦ jaguar 14:51, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- "most critically acclaimed videogame playable character" - video game (two words)
- The lead is well-written and summarises the article perfectly. No issues here
- "but he wore brown pants and longer hair" - trousers, if this article is written in British English
- "Link appears in Tears of the Kingdom," - this paragraph is missing the game's year of release
- "In the main quest line involving a boss fight with the leader of the Yiga Clan, Master Kohga, Link also obtains Autobuild" - perhaps is too superfluous, but I'll leave it up to you if you want to cut it or not
- The amount of shorter paragraphs in the Spin-off games subsection makes it quite choppy - I think you can safely merge a couple
- "In Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the Breath of the Wild incarnation also appears, along with the Master Cycle Zero" - I think this should be changed to his, and unfamiliar readers will not know what the Master Cycle Zero is - I'd remove it
And that's it. Simply put this article is a fully-fledged GA, which compels me to give this an outright pass. It is well-written, comprehensive and all the sources check out. I couldn't find anything to justify putting this on hold. Congratulations on writing an article which does justice one of the most important characters in video game canon. I'd recommend addressing some of my minor queries above should you nominate this at FAC. ♦ jaguar 19:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Jaguar I'm ecstatic because I've put so much work into this article. It really means a lot to me to get it to GA status. Thanks for putting the time in to review it. I will look through your comments and make those amendments. Fieryninja (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- These sources [2] [3] [4] are important and could be added. 2001:4455:6FB:8B00:FD9F:DB9:F9CB:6AB (talk) 12:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)