Talk:Lincoln City Centre

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Where is the city centre? I don't know Lincoln, but the "geography" section seems to say that the city centre goes as far as St Catherine's, Lincoln, which looks quite far out to the south, and yet the article does not include Bishop Grosseteste University which seems to be much more "central" and whose webpage says it is "in uphill Lincoln, in the Cathedral Quarter of the city, and it is only 5 minutes’ walk from the magnificent Lincoln Cathedral, the historic castle and the boutique shops on Steep Hill and Bailgate."

The "Transport" section should be confined to questions of transport within the centre - are there buses, pedestrian areas, cycle priority schemes, rickshaws, etc. Anything further is about transport for Lincoln, the city. OK, I suppose the station needs a mention if it is within the agreed definition of the city centre, but availability of connections to Leeds etc is not specific to the city centre.

I strongly suspect that "Lincoln City Centre" has no more recognised existence than Lancaster City Centre, and that we should be heading towards an AfD. Yes, there is a "city centre", lower case, but every city has one: it doesn't mean that Wikipedia is better for having an article on it. PamD 08:16, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe not the most detailed but here is a map of Lincoln City Centre (as defined by a map) [1]. Also it is far from needing of an AfD when we have city centre articles for Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool among other articles. Maybe they should be AfD and merged too. What's their purpose aside from having in depth settlement articles? Only saying. I also lived in Lincoln and attended the university and the city centre is defined as the cathedral quarter to St Catherine's like the map suggests and includes Brayford Pool, Monks Road and Cornhill Quarter/University. So it's able to have a city centre article. DragonofBatley (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll expand more on the transport section and some other sections later on with this map and reliable sources. DragonofBatley (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the city centre ends at the railway station with the shopping centre as an outlier. The map you suggest looking at has three versions, I'd suggest as a frequent visitor that the second map is most useful for city centre and the others provide context. South of the railway station the area has a different character to the pedestrianised north. Best, Exiled imp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.236.65 (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Downgrade quality rating from 'B' to 'C'

In my view this article was overrated; compare with Lincoln, a more encyclopedic article which is only rated 'C'. The article lists buildings etc but adds little historical context. Street names like Saltergate, Clasketgate, Danesgate, Michaelgate suggest this was a walled city at some stage — there's pictures, 37 by my count, but little explanation. The lead needs expanding — what sources describe Lincoln City Centre as a 'central business district'? There's some less relevant content in the Transport section such as the walk to Boston, lists of roads to other places. Note, the sources are nearly all website based; the article would be improved by using material from books. We need to be wary of replication of the Lincoln article. Also, note High Street, Lincoln and Steep Hill. Rupples (talk) 00:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and suggest that the article covers far more than the city centre. High Street is a mile long and only the area north of the level crossing is in the city centre. I think there is a difference between a business district and a city centre which is usually retail and cultural. Esemgee (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is difficulty in defining Lincoln City Centre. Maps show different areas. There's two books published by The Survey of Lincoln: one is titled Lincoln's City Centre North of the River Whitham, and the other Lincoln's City Centre South of the River Whitham from High Bridge to South Park, which recognises the whole High Street as in the City Centre.[2] However this somewhat contradicts another of the Survey's publications that states the area south of the Witham was a suburb called Wigford.[3] Rupples (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just read the blurb on the books you have mentioned and I still think I'm right. The title seems to indicate it was more important in times past but I think it declined after the street was divided by the railway. Often its difficult to define an exact boundary but I think the roads that encircle the area north of the railway would certainly be the visitor's idea of the centre. All city centres have peripheral areas that may/may not be included and possibly Brayford Pool is another one. I would describe the railway and universities as being on the edge of the city centre.Esemgee (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Central business district

Don't think this is an appropriate term for Lincoln having read through and compared City centre with Central business district. Appreciate the attempt by User:DragonofBatley to support usage of the term by inclusion of sources, but I've had to remove all three, please refer to edit summaries for reasons. Only one mentions "central business district" and that source is of doubtful reliability — it's a student submitted essay. A wikilink to City centre would I suggest be more appropriate. Rupples (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Ripples, had a go at rewording the intro. Does it slightly read better? Thanks DragonofBatley (talk) 13:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rupples sorry DragonofBatley (talk) 13:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much better! Thanks for revising. Rupples (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]