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... merely named Lilith ...

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How do you know? Perhaps the writers inside joke. Lilith Sternin was Jewish, and Frasier frequently thought of her as 'Satan' or evil. Even Daphne had a problem with her. Is this an example of 'non-research'? 66.81.104.65 (talk) 06:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For those who insist on including Lilith Sternin, please cite a reliable source that can be easily verified so notability and relevance can be discussed.
Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think Lilith Sternin is very relevant. This entry is about Lilith in popular culture, and the tv shows "Cheer" and "Frasier" were very popular. I don't think it was an inside joke at all. Knowledge of Lilith adds depth to the humor of those series. I have no doubt that the name of the character was chosen because of the Lilith portrayed in literature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigdaddypathologist (talk • contribs) 17:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

http://jewcy.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/network-jews-lilith-sternin-the-ex-wife-from-hell-on-frasier That might justify keeping the reference to Frasier? Aaron Bruce (talk) 18:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Irrelevant entries

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I wanted to clean-up this list a bit but I'm not entirely sure what this list should be. There would seem to be two factors:

  • Should the list include any generic vampire/succubus/demon named Lilith, or only those directly related to the Jewish folklore? (Should the lead summarize that folklore to make this clearer?)
  • Should mere mentions be enough to warrant inclusion, or should the Lilith character be a central focus of the work? (In the case of a TV series, featuring for at least one episode.)

Bearing that in mind, I've marked a lot of entries during my copyedit (and fixed some links and updated the DAB page while I was at it). I'll try to summarize my concerns here:

  • Completely irrelevant entries:
    • Lilith Sternin, obviously, does not belong here by any stretch of the imagination.
    • The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, doesn't seem relevant
    • Carmilla (series) got on the list based on a "hint" now proven wrong. The webseries revealed Lilita to be the Sumerian goddess Inanna. The Sumerian predecessor of Lilith was an antagonist of Inanna. This is an excellent example of why edits should not be made based on "hints" (a.k.a. Original Research).
    • Trinity Seven, the Lilith character is a mage, not a demon, succubus or vampire. The focus of her powers are based in lust, but she has nothing to do with the subject of this article.
    • Digimon, I couldn't find anything on the Lilithmon character. It doesn't seem to be important to the work, if it's even related to Lilith.
    • The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth: The game directly references many Christian/Jewish figures and events, and Lilith is a direct reference to the figure. Infact, many of her traits as a character come from her being a succubus, the -prime- succubus.
  • Generic examples not directly linked to Jewish folklore:
  • Mentions in passing that are not a focus of the work:
    • Fallen (Kate novel)
    • Lolita, a nice quote from an important work, but a bare mention that isn't important to the story has me considering its inclusion - Nabokov's 1928 poem Lilith may better fit the article.
    • Nightside, may not be prominent enough
    • Year One (film), does not seem to be prominently about Lilith
    • Zero (2016 film), mention in passing, not a central figure
    • Chrono Crusade, the strongest link to Lilith is the epilogue.

A lot of these are uncertain. It would help if sources were cited for verification. I could have probably deleted some of these myself, but thought that if there was discussion here on the talk page, that'd give a basis to summarily delete the irrelevant entries in the future. – Reidgreg (talk) 01:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Content

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This article claims in the lede to be about popular culture but includes Lilith (1895), novel by George MacDonald, and The Chronicles of Narnia by C. S. Lewis and other works of literature. Either such items should be deleted, or the article's title changed. Rwood128 (talk) 12:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lilith

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There are no 'biblical' suggestions about Lillith. Fokelore, mythology, pagan cults yes, Biblical? Nope, not even close. 107.242.113.60 (talk) 23:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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