Talk:Lichfield

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Hi Edward Smith was not from lichfield,

I have moved him to items of interest because his statue is in beacon park. can people stop putting him in

scu98rkr

Edit war

It seems like an edit war is going on?

It is indeed - check out scu98rkr's talk page!

Another edit war between 24.90.237.107 and 86.146.233.61 appears to be in progress over which image of the Cathedral to use. Both look to be good images, so I am not sure why there is a disagreement. Suggest both parties discuss on this page their different viewpoints. Jschwa1 (talk) 12:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC) Hi,[reply]

I agree, I think both pictures are good. I like the light on the original photograph, however, I thought it was important to show a picture with all 3 spires as this is what makes the cathedral so special. I don't have any very strong objection to the original though, they are your photographs, I'll let you decide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.237.107 (talk) 20:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Place-name meaning

This is disputed. --Sunfazer |Talk 14:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In what way? 82.10.34.16 21:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The lastest history books on lichfield and mercia suggest that the place name has derived from lectocetum. I can get a reference if needed.

Are you deisputing that lectocetum is not grey wood in celtic ? I think its trying to suggest that the roman name lectocetum is in some way related to the local british dialet word for grey wood. Not that is actually is grey wood in some celtic langauage.

Is this what you are disputing ?

Waste Management

Suggest the page has an extra section about waste management and recycling in the city. Snowman 17:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The theory that lichfield developed from meaning field of the dead has long been renounced. Although im sure it may has had some effect on the later spelling of the name. This theory is covered in other items of interest.

scu98rkr

Welsh name

As this is the English language wikipedia and Lichfield is in England is this really appropriate?Njd.1892 13:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was known as Luitcoyt in Roman and Romarno British times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.51.32 (talk) 11:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New housing development and Waitrose

The current text gives the impression that Waitrose has been built on the site of the old cricket ground. This is not correct. The Kensington Oval housing development is situated on this site. Waitrose is situated at the opposite end of the new development. I have not changed the text, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.199.93 (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lichfield/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk · contribs) 22:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I aim to post a review within 48 hours or so, Jezhotwells (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
At Wall, 3.5 km (2.2 mi) to the south of the present city, Why is "Wall" italicised? It could be wikinked to Wall, Staffordshire.

The earliest evidence of settlement has been the discovery of Mesolithic flints "has been"?

At the time of the Domesday survey, Lichfield was held by the bishop of Chester, where the see of the bishopric had been moved 10 years earlier; Lichfield was listed as a small village This would be better earlier as Domesday was in 1086.

Bishop Clinton was responsible for transforming the scattered settlements to the south of Minster Pool into the ladder plan streets we recognise today. "we recognise today" is a little too informal.

Market Street, Wade Street, Bore Street and Frog Lane linked Dam Street, Conduit Street and Bakers Lane on one side with Bird Street and St John Street on the other. a map or plan would be good here, as it stands a little confusing.

Henry VIII had a dramatic effect on Lichfield. looks like commentary, assumes reader knowledge of his policies.

The Reformation brought the disappearance of pilgrim traffic following the destruction of St Chad's shrine in 1538 which was a major loss to the city's economic prosperity. Would be better re-written for clarity.

Three people were burned at the stake for heresy under Mary I. The last person in England to meet this fate was in Lichfield. Edward Wightman from Burton upon Trent was executed by burning in the Market Place on 11 April 1612 for his activities promoting himself as the divine Paraclete and Savior of the world 1612 was well after Mary's time.

The cathedral authorities, with a certain following, "certain following"?

The close yielded and was retaken by Prince Rupert of the Rhine in this year; Two distinct events here: Tghe close yielded to Parliamentary forces and then was retaken by the Royalists.

It was subsequently restored at the end of the Commonwealth period under the supervision of Bishop Hacket, and thanks in part to the generosity of King Charles II. Surely after the Commonwealth?

n the 18th century and reaching its peak in the period from 1800—1840, Again confusing - the dates mentioned are in the 19th century.

with the red brick Georgian style buildings we see today. Again "we see today" is a little too informal.

After the war the council built many new houses in the 1960s including some high-rise flats, the late 70s and early 80s brought a large housing estate at Boley Park in the east of the city. Poor sentence with no definite subject.

In July 2009, The Staffordshire Hoard, the largest collection of Anglo-Saxon gold ever found, was discovered in a field in the parish of Hammerwich, 4 miles (6.4 km) south west of Lichfield. This would better off in the Middle Ages section.

It was not until 1548 with Edward VI's charter that Lichfield had anything like a secular government Poorly phrased.

The City Council has 28 members from the 6 wards of Boley Park, Chadsmead, Curborough, Leamonsley, St Johns and Stowe, who are elected every four years. Needs rephrasing for clarity - as it stands the implication is that the six wards are elected every four years.

OK, I am going to stop the read through here. This article is not "reasonably well written". Please get it thoroughly copy-edited, line by line.

Suburbs: Boley Park | Chadsmead | Christ Church | Darwin Park | The Dimbles | Leamonsley | Nether Stowe | Sandfields | Stowe This is effectively a list - is it necessary.

Places of interest is a list. Better to write in prose, see WP:EMBED. Again Notable Lichfeldians, Education and Twinning.

The lead does not fully summarise the article, see WP:LEAD.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Many statements and indeed whole sections are completely uncited. Those sources used appear to be RS. Formatting of citations are inconsistent, with many having no publisher details. Not all books have page numbers.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
The centre of the city retains an unspoilt charm with over 230 listed buildings in its historic streets, fine Georgian architecture and old cultural traditions. This is not NPOV. The whole article appears to be written in a travel guide style.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Appears to be stable
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Licensed and tagged with captions. I feel there are a few too may images. Two are used twice, in the collage and in the body
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
This article is a log way from GA status. The whole needs a thorough copy-edit and citations need to be provided in many sections. The tone is not very encyclopaedic in places. I recommend addressing the problems and taking it to peer review before renominating. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Revision/updating of article

In recent weeks I've been trying to improve the style and grammar of the article; this is still a work in progress, but I think I've now addressed many of the specific concerns identified when the article was reviewed for GA status back in 2011.

The reviewer then also identified the need for additional source citations in some sections; can anyone, with better access to Lichfield-related sources than me, help with this?

There are also quite a few areas badly in need of updating: the sections on politics will have to be revised after the forthcoming elections, and some of the information in the sports section is clearly out of date. There may well be other sections requiring similar attention.

I love Lichfield, but am not a resident, and so it is difficult for me to do much more to the article. Are there any Lichfeldians (or others with good access to source material) who would be willing to pitch in and do some updating/revision? Chronarch (talk) 11:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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2021 census data

Someone please remind me to update all the 2011 census data to 2021 census data. Alternatively, do it yourself if you have time JjStrawb (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just reminding myself to fix one of the images which I’ve messed up on mobile. Also, update some census data that I missed 81.99.122.89 (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]