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"Because of this approach to self-ownership, liberal feminists also tend to support legalising or decriminalizing cannabis and lap dancing, a position often challenged by radical feminists and by the religious right. Liberal feminists tend to view the criminalization of prostitution to be a legislative act rooted in patriarchal control over the personal and business affairs of women, and thus repressive."

This sounds a bit more like libertarian feminism than liberal feminism. I'd be inclined to remove this unless somebody can come up with a citation for it. Part of the problem is that "liberal feminism" a political position very few people actually consciously subscribe to. Betty Friedan was its clearest exponent. Gloria Steinem is the best known "liberal feminist", but if you look at her writing, her ideas are more "radical feminism lite" than anything. Peter G Werner 22:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality

"Liberal feminism tends to have a neutral vision towards different gender; it requires women to mould themselves to fit a citizenship that had already been constructed in the welfare of men." I'm not an expert, but this seems to lack neutrality and perhaps expresses a radical feminist view of liberal feminism? OwenSaunders (talk) 03:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Two years later and that ridiculous sentence is still here. An anonymous user noted that (and had their edit reverted.) Seriously, that sentence being here for this long is fucking pathetic. This article is RIFE with POV. Why even pretend there's an NPOV policy if something like that can hang around for two fucking years?

Let me add on. The entire intro section unabashedly consists of criticism of liberal feminism, buoyed by quotes from people who are not liberal feminists. It seems like an intro to a subject shouldn't ENTIRELY be focused on what its critics say. But well maybe I'm just crazy and don't get how Wikipedia is supposed to work. Excalibre (talk) 02:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I've removed this sentence, and the rest of the criticism in the lead - it was all entirely unsourced. It should be re-added only if it's attributed to a reliable source (and even then, should say 'critics argue...' or something similar rather than just stating these criticisms directly). Robofish (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Liberal Feminism in the US

This Wikipedia article isn't so much about liberal feminism as liberal feminism specifically in the US. It is overwhelmingly focused on events, laws, organisations in the US. Surely an article on liberal feminism as a topic should much broader than one country's experience. 106.70.194.94 (talk) 01:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

"Neoliberal feminism" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Neoliberal feminism. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 11#Neoliberal feminism until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Women's suffrage

"In 1920, after nearly 50 years of intense activism, women were finally granted the right to vote and the right to hold public office in the United States, and in much of the Western world within a few decades before or a few decades after this time." I think we should change "women were finally granted the right to vote" to "'whitewomen' were finally granted the right to vote", as black, asian and indigenous women were not. 186.183.29.113 (talk) 20:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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I appreciate seeing recent sources added to this topic. A couple of considerations are below:

- "As one of the "Big Three" schools of feminist thought, liberal feminism is often contrasted with socialist/Marxist feminism and radical feminism, but in contrast to them, liberal feminism seeks gradual social progress and equality on the basis of liberal democracy rather than a revolution or radical reordering of society." It may be better to put with the intro because it's a little repetitive.

- There's a subsection on LGBT rights and advocacy efforts. It may be helpful also to build out the other policy areas mentioned, like family planning and abortion access, to make it easier to follow.

Overall, this article was easy to understand and follow.

~~~~ Msociallyaware17 (talk) 14:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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Is UN Women Liberal Feminist Organization?

In the section of LGBTQ right, it is argued that “UN Women works to promote gender equality and the rights of women and LGBTQ+ people” as they are presumed to be a liberal feminist organization. However, at the first point, I think we need to clarify whether UN Women is liberal feminist organization or not. While UN Women seems to acknowledge the women’s different experience from racial and socioeconomic status, some scholars criticize UN Women as working based on liberal feminist. Firstly, UN conference invited Kimberlé Crenshaw, who coined the term of intersectionality, as early as in 2001 (Arat, 2015, p. 679). Subsequently, the term started to appear in the documents. Moreover, UN Women published Intersectional feminism: what it means and why it matters right now (2020) on their website, in which Black and Indigenous feminist scholars argue for intersectional lens and acknowledgment of historical context of colonization and slavery. However, at the same time, there is a controversy over UN Women, which focuses on white middle-class women. Arat (2015) argues that UN measure how gender equality is achieved only in terms of “integration”. In UN outcome document, the number of female politician and CEO in each country is often showed. According to Arat, however, many Third World/transnational feminists claims that integrative measure of UN is silent on class oppression and capitalism. They argue that even if women in the highest strum (e.g., CEO) achieved the equal income with men, the gap between these women and women in the lowest strum (e.g., women working at sweatshop) is not resolved. I think that we need to be clear on this webpage that UN Women is a liberal feminist organization or if we don’t agree on UN women as a liberal organization, it should be got rid of from the Wikipedia page.

Arat, Z, F, K. (2015). Feminisms, Women's Rights, and the UN: Would achieving genderequality empower women? The American Political Science Review. 109(4), 674-689.

UN Women. (2020 July 1). Intersectional feminism: what it means and why it matters rightnow. https://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2020/6/explainer-intersectional-feminism-what-it-means-and-why-it-matters Yui0712Char (talk) 07:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

i agree and i support this change! DrHeller (talk) 21:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

"Mainstream women" should be changed into "white middle-class women"

In introduction, it is argued that liberal feminism is supported by "'mainstream' (i.e., middle-class) women". I believe the word usage of "mainstream" is offensive since by using the word, it reserves the notion that middle-class women are normal. According to the definition of Oxford Language, mainstream means "the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts." Although it is true that middle-class women have so huge impact that they can be seemed "dominant" in this society as a result of racism and classism, we should not think of or express white women as "normal" or "conventional" even if we use double quotation mark. Since we need to see feminism with intersectionality, the word of mainstream itself has an effect in looking down on the other women (non-white middle-class women). Therefore, it should be changed into white middle-class women, more specifically.

Oxford Language. (n.d.). Mainstream.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mainstream+meaning&rlz=1C1NDCM_jaJP844JP845&ei=bTB7Y7yVHNXUkPIP9t2roAM&ved=0ahUKEwj8_8i95777AhVVKkQIHfbuCjQQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=mainstream+meaning&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIMCAAQsQMQQxBGEPkBMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEOgcIABCxAxBDOgQIABBDOgUILhCABDoICC4QgAQQsQM6CAgAEIAEELEDOgcIABCABBAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUABY_AZgtwhoAHABeAGAAfMCiAHrCpIBBzQuMy4xLjGYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Yui0712Char (talk) 08:13, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

sounds like a great change! DrHeller (talk) 21:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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