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A fact from Lester Rowe appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 May 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that it once took two days to determine whether a slam dunk by Lester Rowe at the buzzer counted?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lester Rowe.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 16:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that it once took two days to determine if a slam dunk by Lester Rowe at the buzzer counted? Source: https://www.proquest.com/docview/290816184
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Charles Sorby
- Comment: 6th of 10 QPQs

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 17:20, 7 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lester Rowe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Reviewing... Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Recently created and long enough.
A few [citation needed] tags, but citations are sufficient for DYK. No evidence of copyvio or BLP issues.
Hook is acceptable and interesting. It is cited in the article and the source confirms the hook.
QPQ is done.
Good to go. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 23:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Some copy cleanup, but the most direly needed fixes are to the uncited statements. Thebiguglyalien passed this for DYK with those included, which surprises me. But they are not going to be able to stand at GAN without citations. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copy changes

Lead

As an assistant coach, his teams have earned 2017 Big 12 women's tournament and the 2013–14 Big 12 women's regular season championships. Move the "the" before "2017"
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the duplicate West Virginia men's link in paragraph 2. I think you can just say that he played four seasons for West Virginia; it'd sound a lot better and less redundant.
- Done-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ampersands should be "and" spelled out
- OK-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
no capital I in Iron man. I notice this with several wikilinks throughout the article.
- thx--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- P.S. I found one other improperly capitalized link. Let me know if you know of any more.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comma after High School
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

High school

comma after "growing up"
- Done-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

College

Delink Eastern Athletic Association, which goes to an unrelated article, and consider a footnote at the end of that sentence on the conference's renaming. A reference like this one^[1] would be workable too.
- I don't think the end of the sentence is best here, but would not revert if you feel strongly.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No need to capitalize "all" in "all-tournament"
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Render as "preseason", no caps, no hyphen
- Thx--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When the team lost Greg Jones following... Try "after" and consider shortening the link to read just "1982–83 season"
- OK-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MOP should be MVP
- Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the 1984 Pre-season All-Atlantic 10 first team Consider a new sentence beginning to not sound identical to the preceding paragraph.
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comma after "later"
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hyphenate "regular season" when an adjective, as in before "championship"
- OK-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No need to capitalize the F in "field goal percentage" or the C in Conference in the last paragraph
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Spell out 4 and 6
- ThxTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
number 1 ranked try number-one-ranked
- OK-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pro career

There are two ‹The template Fake citation needed is being considered for merging.› ^{[citation needed]} templates that must be resolved. Partial sourcing is available in newspapers to fill this gap.^[2]^[3] Note that the team is not mentioned in the former and particularly that the latter suggests he did not play for Savannah after November 1987. (Side note: this went to DYK with two citation needed templates, which is astoundingly bad.)

Better than nothing.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

during the 1987–88 in accordance with above, try early in the 1987–88 season before being waived in late November
- Thx for the suggestion.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"With 5 games" spell out five
- OK--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rowe had coaching offers, but did not want to move from Morgantown, West Virginia at that stage of his life
- Remove the comma after "offers". "Rowe" is the subject in both halves. See User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences (CinS)
- Add a MOS:GEOCOMMA after West Virginia.
  - OK-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In 2013, he was reprimanded by Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby for his involvement in a post-game melee at the Bank of Hawaii Rainbow Wahine Classic at the Stan Sheriff Center on November 17, 2013. In 2013, on November 17, 2013—one of those should stay, one should go.
- Trimmed-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
His tenure lasted until 2019 with Add a comma after 2019
- Thx-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Add "team" after "Northern Kentucky Norse women's basketball"
- Yes-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TonyTheTiger The main problem left is that the new sources do not include the Shell team or the "5 games" specifically with Savannah. My guess is that there is not a lot of available online sourcing for the PBA from the 1980s, though I did find a story in Rappler which mentions that Shell signed Rowe. His WVU profile indicates he played in several other countries: Argentina, the Philippines, Venezuela, France, Germany and the United States. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TonyTheTiger Just reminding you of these last fixes to match the article text to the available sourcing. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and done this since it seems you're busy with other projects. Will pass. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

As of March 18, 2013 his daughters were aged 21 and 19, respectively. There has to be a better way to say this, something like "born 1991/92" and "born 1993/94", that doesn't age so poorly.
- NHow is this?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded it myself. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:48, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
in 2008–09 senior season try in her senior season in 2008–09
- OK-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spot checks

Ref [15] (Chicago Tribune): The correct page number is section 4, page 3. The Tribune had numbered sections back then, and it is easy to miss that, especially with ProQuest where it might not be so apparent. I usually write this as 4:3.
Consider cleaning up all the [Final Edition] etc. in the ProQuest titles.
- NI have made two attempts at this. I need some help.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:57, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I took care of it. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
4: This NewsBank link gives me fits, but I found the original 1981 naming too.^[4] Y
8: With a 12.6 average, Maurice Martin of St. Joseph's was the No. 2 scorer for the Atlantic 10 basketball all-stars who toured Spain. Martin, a 6-6 sophomore, scored his tour-high 24 points vs. Panama. Leading scorer for the A-10s (3-5 record) was Lester Rowe of West Virginia with a 19.9 average Y
12: The preseason all- conference team includes George Washington's 6-foot, 10-inch, 260-pound Michael Brown, a sure NBA first-round pick; St. Joseph's guard Maurice Martin, who made it to the Olympic team's final 20 players, and Rutgers scoring machine John Battle, whom Boston Celtics general manager Red Auerbach likened to former all-pro guard Dave Bing. Temple's Granger Hall and West Virginia leaper Lester Rowe round out the coaches' first-team choices. Y
17: That was back when current WVU assistant coach Lester Rowe was in uniform, throwing down thunderous dunks on the Coliseum floor. Y
22: YOUNGSTOWN (IBA) - Signed Clinton Ransey, Clyde Vaughan, Lester Rowe and Ray Hall, guards. Y

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^ "Eastern Eight Adds Teams, Hires William Morris Agency". Daily Record. Associated Press. June 11, 1982. p. 21. Retrieved August 19, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
^ Esmonde, Donn (January 18, 1986). "Little 3 No Longer Exists For Atlantic-10 Bonnies". The Buffalo News. p. B-2. Retrieved August 18, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
^ "Transactions". Rapid City Journal. November 27, 1987. p. C6. Retrieved August 18, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
^ Kelley, Jim (April 12, 1981). "Lester, Ray: Players of Year". The Buffalo News. p. D-4. Retrieved August 19, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.

[Dail820611-1] "Eastern Eight Adds Teams, Hires William Morris Agency". Daily Record. Associated Press. June 11, 1982. p. 21. Retrieved August 19, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.

[Buff860118-2] Esmonde, Donn (January 18, 1986). "Little 3 No Longer Exists For Atlantic-10 Bonnies". The Buffalo News. p. B-2. Retrieved August 18, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.

[Rapi871127-3] "Transactions". Rapid City Journal. November 27, 1987. p. C6. Retrieved August 18, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.

[Buff810412-4] Kelley, Jim (April 12, 1981). "Lester, Ray: Players of Year". The Buffalo News. p. D-4. Retrieved August 19, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.

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