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Stupid on maps

Why don't these jokers just become part of South Africa or something. They look so stupid on the map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.192.226 (talk) 10:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Sesotho

If the people are Basuto and the language is Sesotho, where does the world Lesotho come from? Why not just call it Sesotho? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.26.223.186 (talk) 22:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The article says the name roughly translates to "The land of the people who speak Sotho." Jedibob5 (talk) 02:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

bantustan?

Can Lesotho to gether with Swaziland, which is landlocked and completely surrounded by South Africa, be considered as a bantustan (homeland)? Meursault2004 22:54, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

They are both landlocked, but Swaziland borders Mozambique as well. Homelands were where the Apartheid government sent Blacks when they didn't have work permits - so I don't think another country counts. So - No. Wizzy 07:12, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Related point--the intro paragraph claims that Lesotho is one of two countries in the world completely surrounded by another country, but I think both Vatican City and San Marino lay claim to that distinction.Acjohnson55 (talk) 13:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks man ;-) Meursault2004 11:07, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Does anyone know exactly how Lesotho got it's border?

Yes, In 1818, Moshoeshoe I consolidated various Basotho groupings and became their King. During Moshoeshoe's reign (1823-1870), a series of wars with South Africa (1856-68) resulted in the loss of extensive Basotho land, now known as the "Lost Territory." In order to protect his people, Moshoeshoe appealed to Queen Victoria for assistance, and in 1868 the land that is present-day Lesotho was placed under British protection. El_C 01:48, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know what the purpose of the 'Government Secretary' is? Is he an elected MP? Looking at the Lesotho government homepage, the Government Secretary is its own structure, but there is no description regarding its purpose. Thanks.

There could not have been "wars with South Africa (1856-68)" because South Africa did not exist at the time, South Africa only became a country in 1910. Roger 10:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Exports

Is there any truth in this statement? "Lesotho in Africa depends on textiles and clothing for 99.14% of its export earnings. Some 20,000 jobs have disappeared there since the beginning of January." If that is true, this country is headed to a very troubled future [1]

Sounds possible and certainly it doesn't look like things will get better for Lesotho in the near future at least. But it is worth remembering that the majority of people there live off subsistence farming.. they arent all dependent on industrial jobs (although some are and their economy will suffer).

Kelmaon 11:48, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

After the export of water and electricity to South Africa, most of the income of Lesotho comes from remittances by its citizens living and working in South Africa. Roger 10:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Lesotho doesn't export electricity to South Africa, it actually imports it. The building of the Muela power station together with the first phase of the Lesotho Highlands Water Project dams in the early 1990's lessened the amount of electricity the country imports but not completely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerrysdead (talk • contribs) 23:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Response to AIDS

"Throughout the trauma of Aids and illness the Basotho remain remarkably faithful and believing."
Diseases in general don't tend to change the religious makeup of a country, so as a fact this is uninteresting. It just comes across as rather preachy. I've removed it. --Spudtater 14:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Intro

Is "Muso oa Lesotho" is the official name of the country, and is "Government of Lesotho" the correct translation? That seems odd, and should certainly be explained if it is the case. Otherwise, shouldn't this be changed to "Lesotho"? -- Beland 18:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Should there be something at the beginning talking about how to pronounce the country's name? I imagine most English speakers would consider the "correct" pronunciation to not be phonetic. Derekt75 20:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

In elementary school I did a short report on Lesotho, and I think I read that it was pronounced either [ləsjutu] or [ləʃutu], but they might be anglicized. I'm guessing that [ləsoʊtoʊ] is often used as an "English" pronunciation, but is incorrect. Ardric47 23:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I lived there for two years and speak sesotho. It is pronounced leh-soo-too. jeff.t.mcdonald
"eh" as in "eh?", "pet", or schwa? Ardric47 23:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I guess it is "eh". And actually, it is leh-SOO-too as in Sesotho the sylable before the last one is accented. jeff.t.mcdonald
So [le'sutu] then? Ardric47 22:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Technically, the dictionary pheonetic spelling would be Le’sūtū. The "le" is like the "le" in lesson. The "so" is like the "soo" in soon. The "to" is like the number two or too. But like I said the middle sylable is accented and thus if a person was sounding it out, it would be "leh-SOO-too" which if I remember correctly was even how it was spelled for me when I arrived there for a two year stay and is definately how the Basotho pronounce it. Hope this is helpful. Had to go back to the dictionary and find the phenontic guide to come up with "Le’sūtū" jeff.t.mcdonald
On the basis of Sesotho language, it seems like it should actually be [lɛ̀.sʉ́.tʰʉ̀]. Ardric47 23:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Picture clutter

There are too many pictures on this page; they serve only as clutter. This is not a travel guide, but an encyclopedia. Some are quite beautiful, but do not add significantly to the article. Scoutersig 00:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I am a Mosotho and I have noticed that some of these pictures provide only one side of the coin, like where they say that the typical house in Lesotho is a rondavel, it used to be that, but now more and more people live in brick homes and they have migrated to the towns so there are less people in the rural areas. So Wikipedia should show houses in Maseru, Maputsoe and so on. This picture persents a very bias view!

And to be deadly honest, they are not really innovative as well. Malealea is certainly beautiful, but it is lesotho's touristical prime spot. it is definetly not a remote place

Honorifics

"His Excellency, Prince Seeiso Bereng Seeiso is the present High Commissioner of the Kingdom of Lesotho to the Court of St. James's."

Is it proper to include honorifics in wiki articles? Napsterbater (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

What do you call a citizen in Lesotho? A Lesothan? Lesothanese?

You call them a Basotho. Basotho is also and primarily an ethnic tribe of Southern Africa but since 99% or more of Lesotho is comprised of Basotho, when you are a national of Lesotho you also are considered Basotho even if you are not ethnically Basotho. For the few thousand expatriates that live in Lesotho that actually are nationals by having gained citizenship, this is a kind of strange situation, to be called Basotho but there are not really many people that fit into this category and so it does not get a lot of discussion. Jeff.t.mcdonald 16:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Can you use this word as an adjective? What if you are referring to non-human things concerning Lesotho? Is it correct to say "a Basothoan elephant" or "the Basothoan frontier with South Africa"? Kransky 05:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
It can be used as an adjective as there is a certain type of pony found in Lesotho that is called a "Basotho pony". There are other examples too like a "Basotho blanket", which is unique to Lesotho (though made in England). Jeff.t.mcdonald 09:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguity

The article states: "- March 18, 1884 it was annexed to the British Cape Colony (South Africa) as Basutoland territory. On 18 March 1884 Basutoland re-emerged as a separate colony,"

Was it did it really "re-emerge" the same day it was "annexed"? Mdbrownmsw 20:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Is there any particular reason why this article has suddenly come under vandal attack? There's a fair few vandal reverts in the last few days, with little vandalism prior to that. The level of vandalism isn't enough to warrant a page protection, but I for one am fed up of reverting nonsense edits (I don't even know anything about Lesotho, just am reverting vandals spotted via Recent Changes). Carre 22:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southern Africa at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southern Africa whose scope would include Lesotho. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Lesotho's enclave status

Lesotho is not the only example of a landlocked enclave; San Marino and Vatican City also qualify.[2] -- Rydra Wong 07:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

True but it's the only sizeable state. The other countries are just city states. San Marino for instance is about the size of Washington DC and Vactican City is even smaller

63.26.223.186 (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)wayne

History: inconsistent dates

"Opposition protests in the country intensified, culminating in a peaceful demonstration [...] in August 2000. Exact details of what followed are greatly disputed [...] but in September that year, a SADC task force [...] entered the capital. [...] By the time the SADC forces withdrew in May 1999, [...]"

This says that the forces entered after 2000 but withdrew in 1999! The next paragraph states an even earlier date, while it is told as a later event:

"An Interim Political Authority (IPA), charged with reviewing the electoral structure in the country, was created in December 1998. [...]"

-Pgan002 08:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag

I don't think this is the current flag of Lesotho. It may be an older one, but any up-to-date almanach shows a different flag... also the United Nations has a different flag for Lesotho.

It is. See Flag of Lesotho for the various flags. El_C 10:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Population?

This article has numbers that show the population going down and up. If it dipped because of AIDS or migration and is now recovering it should be explained. As it is now is just make Wikipedia look unrealiable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 06:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

There are multiple mentions of links with Ireland, can someone add some detail to these? It seems very unusual that there would be any particular reason for there to be special links between these two countries. Has someone entered it as a joke?

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Please sign your messages.

I don't see why Ireland's maintenance with Lesotho is a joke? As former Commonwealth allies and as a prime example of the small countries Ireland supposedly aligns itself with, it seems fairly logical. Even so, there are lot of things in history which are just plain "very unusual". GavinZac (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Lesotho Scouts Association

Can someone render "Lesotho Scouts Association" and "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Sotho? Thanks! Chris 15:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Human Development

This section is unnecessary and has absolutely nothing to do with Lesotho. Anyone interested in HDI can look at it's entry. I'm bringing it in line with other countries' pages by cutting this. It is sufficient to have the HDI in Lesotho's stat block (with a link to the HDI page btw). In addition, the stat does indicate that Lesotho's HDI is low and that it is ranked 149th.

"Human development

One notable indicator used to measure a country's quality of life is the Human Development Index (HDI), which is compiled annually since 1990 by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP). The HDI is a composite of several indicators, which measure a country's achievements in three main arenas of human development: longevity, knowledge and education, as well as economic standard of living. In a ranking of 177 countries and territories, the HDI places Lesotho in the low human development category, at 149th place. NOTE: Although the concept of human development is complicated and cannot be properly captured by values and indices, the HDI, which is calculated and updated annually, offers a wide-ranging assessment of human development in certain countries, not based solely upon traditional economic and financial indicators."

Forgot to sign. 41.242.246.162 08:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Only landlocked country to be surrounded completely by another?


Religion

There is a lot of stuff bieng added and then reverted - can a user with more specialist knowledge say what is going on? Springnuts (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

New images

FYI I've just uploaded a number of excellent photos taken by K. Kendall in Lesotho to Commons. They are galleried below. Feel free to use any that you think are relevant and useful.

I've already placed one particularly educational one at National Women's Day. Let me know if you have any questions. Dcoetzee 04:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

History needs work

I've just run around Wikipedia snatching bits and pieces of articles to try to cobble together some sort of a history section, but I've not come within five thousand miles of this place and my facts come from (ahem) Wikipedia. ;) ... and largely unsourced in the source articles themselves :( . Still, what remains does look like a believable timeline of a history, and hopefully it will remind a better historian to take some time and do this up properly. Wnt (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Lesotho's Constitution?

I don't see any reference to a link to it's constitution anywhere in the article? 146.235.130.52 (talk) 15:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

this article needs a lot of work

it's hard to read and has many missing references. shouldn't the following text in history be in the politics section?

An Interim Political Authority (IPA), charged with reviewing the electoral structure in the country, was created in December 1998. The IPA devised a proportional electoral system to ensure that the opposition would be represented in the National Assembly. The new system retained the existing 80 elected Assembly seats, but added 40 seats to be filled on a proportional basis. Elections were held under this new system in May 2002, and the LCD won again, gaining 54% of the vote. But for the first time, opposition political parties won significant numbers of seats, and despite some irregularities and threats of violence from Major General Lekhanya, Lesotho experienced its first peaceful election. Nine opposition parties now hold all 40 of the proportional seats, with the BNP having the largest share (21). The LCD has 79 of the 80 constituency-based seats. Although its elected members participate in the National Assembly, the BNP has launched several legal challenges to the elections, including a recount; none has been successful.

LibStar (talk) 07:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Free State-Basotho War

Cleaned up the phrasing to be more neutral and to be in line with the referenced page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.84.56 (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

When the westeners talk about other people's countries, please, talk in good faith, don't try to attribute them to other peoples. Lesotho is a home for the Basotho and it must not be in any way hinted of the Khoisan, who are minorities of Southern Africa. Do not say that the owners of the country colonised it. Thank you.

Aim to be neutral when discussing about other people, you ask for politeness, so must you show it - it's a two way thing. Countries matters are more important than internet matters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.114 (talk) 10:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism?

I just removed the following sentence from the "history" section, relating to the death of King Moshoeshoe II:

'The fact that his Moshoeshoe's head had been neatly severed, and the fact that his driver escaped completely unscathed made a few people scratch their heads, however.'

I know nothing of Lesotho's history, so this may be true, but I could find no sources for it, and the source already present for his death explicitly stated that his driver also died, and that no foul play was suspected. So it seems this was either opportunistic vandalism, or vandalism from someone with a political grudge - if the latter, editors had better keep an eye out for this sort of thing. EJBH (talk) 15:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Archive 1

"generally close ties with Ireland."

While this statement is sourced, the source is a page on the Irish Aid website, which describes the various projects of Irish Aid in Lesotho. I don't think that is strong enough for the statement that Lesotho maintains "generally close ties with Ireland" which to me implies that these ties are stronger and more significant that those Lesotho has with other countries. I think it should be rephrased to something like "Irish Aid, the international development arm of the Irish government, has a number of projects in and connections with Lesotho" —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeamusSweeney (talk • contribs) 14:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Lesotho

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Lesotho's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "report":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

HIV rates are linked to the country's high rape rate which certainly isn't a feminist propaganda.

Lesotho is not an enclave

Enclaves/exclaves belong to other countries. Lesotho is entirely surrounded by South Africa, but is not an enclave. Compare to list of enclaves./exclaves in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.109.118.169 (talk) 11:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Lesotho is an enclave within South Africa but it is not an exclave of another country. See Enclave_and_exclave#Enclaved_countries Roger (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Lesotho is an enclave by every known definition of the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

HIV

Article states that "The program is helping to combat two of the key drivers of the HIV/AIDS epidemic: poverty and gender inequality." This has no support and looks like feminist propaganda (if there are more males with HIV it´s OK, if there are more females it's gender inequality). Will wait for comments before correcting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.120.157.119 (talk) 11:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is a source that explains the link - http://www.hsrc.ac.za/Media_Release-216.phtml - and no its not as simplistic as your assumption that it's just propaganda. Your statement "if there are more males with HIV it´s OK, if there are more females it's gender inequality" just shows your bias and ignorance.
Basically gender inequality makes it very hard for women to 1. refuse sexual intercourse, and 2. insist that the man uses a condom. Roger (talk) 06:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I am unsure why the "key drivers of the HIV/AIDS epidemic" is "poverty and gender inequality". Surely the key driver is sexual promiscuity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Travel documents

What does "poor travel documents" mean? And why does the section on Politics quote someone on passports without having explained previously that some issue involving passports exists? The result is that it isn't clear what the person is commenting on. —Largo Plazo (talk) 11:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Subsequent evolution of the state...

Question: "How can the subsequent evolution of the state" be in 1795 when the previously stated events are in the 1800's?75.88.165.64 (talk) 00:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Expansion of Mafeteng district − asking for details

Districts of Lesotho

Hi, in the German Wikipedia one user pointed out contradicting information about Mafeteng district. According to this map Mafeteng district has expanded eastwards since 2006, including an exclave in the highlands. Do you have any information about the date when this happened and the new data (area, population), maybe even the reasons for the expansion? Thanks in advance, --Vanellus (talk) 10:58, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vanellus, I doubt the user that pointed out contradicting info was not using latest official maps; according to my knowledge (supported by latest official info) there has not been any change in district maps since independence. I stand to be corrected, but I think such a change would have been communicated publicly somehow, and I would have knowledge of it - I'm a Mosotho living in Lesotho - Mohahlaula (talk) 06:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Lumela, ke thabile haholo ho bua le mosotho. Do you support the map with Mafeteng district having an exclave in the east (as shown here) oder without the exclave? I found that second version (without exclave) in an official Lesotho map of 1980, scale 1:250,000, and in a map in David Ambrose: The Guide to Lesotho, printed in 1976. By the way, the Thaba Tseka district was formed after independence. Sala hantle, --Vanellus (talk) 14:44, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh...my bad! Indeed Thaba-Tseka is our youngest district; I think it's best I inquire more about this matter, to be honest I never realised it had more than one map, thanks for the "discovery" - peace :)
- Mohahlaula (talk) 15:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

South Africa

Does Lesotho attempt to unite with Republic of South Africa ever?Lesotho is like bantustan---Kaiyr (talk) 19:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

No.Babakathy (talk) 07:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
"Lesotho is like bantustan"??? What are you on chief?
- Mohahlaula (talk) 06:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I understand what you mean, it's like Kazakhstan 😂 Refiloehape (talk) 11:32, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

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Need more history

Currently it sounds like nothing really happens between the late 19th century and independence in the 1960s. Just for instance, did the world wars not affect Lesotho in any way? Catcollier (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

World poverty line

Article references the world poverty line at US $1.25 a day, this has since been increased to $1.90. Not going to edit because I'm not sure what the new percentage would be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.180.137.197 (talk) 01:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Social issues – Gender rights

Lesotho is indeed less progressive in the realm of gender rights, especially when compared to the outstanding Rwanda and South Africa (5th and 15th). 57th out of 144 is still far from a concern; Lesotho still comfortably outstrips more "progressive" nations like Japan and Morocco. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.55.183.224 (talk) 13:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Short intro

Why is the intro so short? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 14:24, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Name and Demonym

Good day, Looking at this page on Lesotho I have picked up two mistakes but don't know how to correct them. Firstly, the official name of Lesotho in Sesotho is not 'Muso oa Lesotho - 'Muso oa Lesotho is "Government of Lesotho". Kingdom of Lesotho in Sesotho is simply "Lesotho". Secondly the demonyms are only Mosotho (singular) and Basotho (plural). Lesothan and Lesothonian are completely incorrect - no such thing exists in British and world English not even South African or American English. They should go. Khosi M (talk) 11:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Need to change intro

Check the "enclaved country" link, it says there are 4, not 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.9.1.144 (talk) 01:26, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

in any case the lede is not the place for trivia.--2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:C00D:C751:526C:ECCA (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

religion

this article says Protestants are 50% of Christians but the main article 'religion in Lesotho says 40% --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:C00D:C751:526C:ECCA (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Well, kind of, as the sources are from different organisations and their data varies per census [3][4]. Also, one merges the Protestantism branches, while the other separates it. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Map showing features in Lesotho

The current maps show that Lesotho is in southern Africa. It would be useful to include a map that showed the location of various features within Lesotho itself (roads, cities, dams, etc.), not merely a map showing Lesotho in relation to the outside. Pete unseth (talk) 16:07, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

There is a districts and cities map in the Districts subsection, and a few others in commons:Category:Maps of Lesotho. If you feel one is better than the current one in Geography it might be worth adding it. CMD (talk) 16:27, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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