Talk:Lefter Talo (village)

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The suffix -aghas comes obviously from the Turkish title. The fact that the spelling is slightly different in Kofos can't be an argument for removal since he uses the Greek form of the spelling (he uses also Lefteris Talios).Alexikoua (talk) 03:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still waiting for a decent explanation why Agha is of Albanian origin. From where precise it originates; not taking as axiomatic since there is concrete bibliography of Turkish origin.Alexikoua (talk) 04:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kofos is a reliable historian, but he is not a linguist. Hajdaragaj (a typical Albanian surname btw) might come from "agha", but "agha" itself is not of Turkish origin (apparently Persian or Old Turkic). And "aga" became an Albanian word as well. Ktrimi991 (talk) 09:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You name it: it is an Albanian loanword from another language. This obviously makes it of non-Albanian origin. As such Kofos is correct on saying that. You know that even local surnames have an etymology and obviously it is no correct to claim that Ottoman titles have Albanian origins. Alexikoua (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the village (i.e Hajdaragaj) most likely comes from someone named Hajdar Aga, which at the time was a common name among Ottoman Albanians. The second option is that of muslim surname "Hajderaga" also very common to this day in Albania (see Albanian politician Luan Hajdaraga). I dont have Demiraj's work on me, but I think he's referring to this kind of liguistic derivation of the word. There's no question that both words, Hajdar/Haydar and Aga/Agha are loanword from Ottoman Turkish, which itself has loaned them from other languages. Bes-ARTTalk 17:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, hence saying "Agha is of Turkish origin" is misleading. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ktrimi991: can you provide the full quote on this? The statement that the suffix -agha is of Albanian origin is clearly misleading. As we already noticed it comes from an Ottoman title.Alexikoua (talk) 00:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have never said that "agha" is a suffix or is of Albanian origin. Ktrimi991 (talk) 09:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kofos mentions that 'agha' comes from the Turkish language. So, it's fine you don't object that.Alexikoua (talk) 18:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that Hajdaraga has Turkish origin is out of context. Now you might want to open an RfC, further discussion is pointless. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agha which is the suffix of Hajdiraga is Turkish, it's simple and sourced. If you object to this sourced addition you need to take Kofos to RSN.Alexikoua (talk) 03:16, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lefter Talo (village)

I am moving the article name into Lefter Talo (village) to not be confused with the individual. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]