Talk:Leave the Door Open/GA3
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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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I will do this over the next couple of days! --K. Peake 08:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I made an effort to address the issues of the last failed GA review. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- That is fantastic; I have faith that you will do so for this one too! --K. Peake 10:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I might take longer than usual since I have been very busy with personal life. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- That is fantastic; I have faith that you will do so for this one too! --K. Peake 10:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Infobox and lead
[edit]- Infobox looks good!
- Mention in the first sentence that it is from their debut studio album, An Evening with Silk Sonic (2021).
- In the lead single sentence, simply refer to it as the album
- Swap the release sentence with the writing/production one
- Shouldn't you identify .Paak and D'Mile by their stage names under songwriters in prose, especially since one is a lead artist here?
- I wrote it according to the credits. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Add a comma before "and Brody Brown"
- ""Leave the Door Open" is a" → "It is a"
- "R&B and pop song," → "R&B, and pop song,"
- "Its romantic lyrics describe" → "The romantic lyrics describe" but the quote is not sourced
- See prose, if it is source in the prose don't add it to the lead. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- I mean that this quote is not sourced anywhere in prose. --K. Peake 08:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- I understood, fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- I mean that this quote is not sourced anywhere in prose. --K. Peake 08:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- "with many praising" → "with many critics praising"
- "Malaysia and New Zealand." → "Malaysia, and New Zealand."
- ""Leave the Door Open" entered the top ten" → "The song entered the top 10" per MOS:NUM
- "Canada and Portugal." → "Canada, and Portugal."
- Mention that the first two certifications were in the United States and New Zealand, respectively, while adding the third was in Canada
- what's the point of this? As long as they are mentioned... MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- The article needs to be clear about what countries the certifications were in. --K. Peake 17:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- It says America, New Zealand and Canada in the certifications. Recorded Music New Zealand, Music Canada...seems very straight forward in what countries it was. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- You should mention anyway especially for RIAA to be specific which America this refers to, also countries are mentioned in other sentences so it seems logical to do so here. --K. Peake 08:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- But South America is a continent with several countries. Each one has their one charts and certifications...same for central America. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- You should mention anyway especially for RIAA to be specific which America this refers to, also countries are mentioned in other sentences so it seems logical to do so here. --K. Peake 08:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- The article needs to be clear about what countries the certifications were in. --K. Peake 17:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wikilink music video
- Shouldn't you always write .Paak for consistency?
- "They also performed it" → "They also performed the song"
- The tie is not notable for the lead, also make sure all the awards here are written out in the body
- They are, see below on the table. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Not true; anything mentioned in the lead needs to be written out in prose. --K. Peake 17:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- I need to write in prose? Then what's the point of having a table? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- See further on, where I have wrote about a summary of the table being in prose. --K. Peake 08:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Not true; anything mentioned in the lead needs to be written out in prose. --K. Peake 17:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Add a comma before "and Best R&B song"
Done
Background and release
[edit]- Shouldn't the two artists be wikilinked on their first mentions?
- "met in 2017 while touring" → "met in 2017, while touring"
- "adding "While I'm" → "adding, "While I'm"
- "and the song title and knew" → "and the song title, and knew"
- ""concept he wanted."" → ""concept he wanted"." per MOS:QUOTE
- "removed pieces and rebuilt" → "removed pieces, and rebuilt"
- "as the first single via" → "as the album's first single via"
- Add the word stations after contemporary hit radio
Done
Production
[edit]- Shouldn't .Paak and D'Mile be identified by their stage names consistently?
- Please see above. Its per credits. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Per MOS:LINKSTYLE, only link them when they are mentioned by their stage names since this is in the same sentence both here and the lead. --K. Peake 08:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Add a comma before Christopher Brody Brown
- "Emma Kummrow and Gared Crawford" → "Emma Kummrow, and Gared Crawford"
- "Tess Varley and Luigi Mazzocchi." → "Tess Varley, and Luigi Mazzocchi."
Done
Composition
[edit]- Audio sample looks good!
- ""Leave the Door Open" is a" → "Musically, "Leave the Door Open" is a"
- "are described as "honeyed", Silk Sonic's are seen" → "have been described as "honeyed", Silk Sonic's were seen"
- [23][17][24] why are these not numerically ordered like in the previous sentence? Also, maybe invoke this group only after the second sentence since these two are consecutive.
- "are "accompanied by retro-sounding drums and spacious strings."" → "are accompanied by "retro-sounding drums and spacious ... strings"." per MOS:QUOTE and the source
- Wikilink tempo
- "The vocal's ranges span" → "The vocal range spans"
- ""hoping that you" → ""hopin' that you" per the source
- Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com per MOS:LINK2SECT
- "being "serious" composition," → "being a "serious" composition,"
- "He found it" → "He found the song"
- "Parx responded "You" → "Parx responded, "You"
- "still very contemporary"." → "still very contemporary.""
- "Mars doesn't allow Paak's fulfillment as" → "Mars does not allow Paak's fulfillment, as"
- Maybe write "reach a peak" instead of new heights?
- "a "resolution" it enters" → "a "resolution", it enters"
- "its end a" → "the end, a"
- "coming through" and it" → "coming through", and it"
- "found similarities to his" → "also found similarities to his track"
- Wikilink NME
- Wikilink Jon Pareles
- "the Stylistics and the Manhattans sound." → "the Stylistics, and the Manhattans sound."
- "resemble songs by" → "resembles songs by"
- "the Chi-Lites and the O'Jays." → "the Chi-Lites, and the O'Jays."
Done
Critical reception
[edit]- "received universal critical acclaim" → "was met with universal critical acclaim"
- Any specific order here?
- From best to worst. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Shouldn't you stay with .Paak for consistency?
- Full introduction to Pareles is not needed when you did this in the previous section
- "lyrics and the contrast" → "lyrics, and the contrast"
- "good things to revive."" → "good things to revive"." per MOS:QUOTE
- Siroky's full name is not needed per previous
- "luxurious, velvety goodness."" → "luxurious, velvety goodness"."
- "Jem Aswad called the track "a glorious blast of vintage R&B", Aswad" → "Aswad called the track "a glorious blast of vintage R&B"; he" since full name is not needed again
- Wikilink Marvin Gaye
- Sophie Williams's full name is not needed per previous
- "lauded the track. McDuffie added," → "lauded the track, writing that"
- "by Mars's sultry crooning."" → "by Mars's sultry crooning"."
- ""outstanding ... the harmonies" → ""outstanding ... [the] harmonies" per the source, also the wrong URL is invoked here
- ".Paak's taut drum fills."" → ".Paak's taut drum fills"."
- Remove wikilink on An Evening with Silk Sonic
- "satisfying molten cheese."" → "satisfying molten cheese"."
- "and substance to match."" → "and substance to match"."
- "and medallion combo."" → "and medallion combo"."
- "added, "Mars's earnest delivery" → "added that Mars's "earnest delivery"
- "you off your feet." → "you off your feet"."
- Mention that the list was created for Entertainment Tonight
- ""perfectly timeless record."" → ""perfectly timeless record"."
- Remove wikilink on Bobby Womack
- "the throwback charm."" → "the throwback charm"."
- "acknowledge the present."" → "acknowledge the present"."
Done
Accolades
[edit]- Again, stop using full names when they have already been used
- The Consequence ranking should be third for chronological order
- "on Mars' 2016" → "on Bruno Mars' ... 2016"
- ""inviting and sensual"." → ""inviting [and] sensual"."
- ""neither is going" → ""Neither is going" per the source
- "up and cheer."" → "up and cheer"." per MOS:QUOTE
- Pipe Complex to Complex (magazine) per MOS:LINK2SECT
- "Jessica McKinney wrote," → "Jessica McKinney wrote that"
- "but "Leave the Door Open" does" → "but 'Leave the Door Open' does"
- "by Billboard Staff Picks" → "by Billboard Staff Picks"
- "among the best songs of the year" → "among the best songs of 2021" per this being a new para
- "born until decades later." → "born until decades later"."
- "ranked the song at number ten" → "ranked the song at number 10" per MOS:NUM
- "modern music, the duo" → "modern music ... the duo" per the source
- Italicise Soul Train per the source
- Wikilink Rob Sheffield
- "for 2021. It is" → "for 2021 ... it is" per the source
- "a pheromone rush."" → "a pheromone rush"."
- "offering from the duo."" → "offering from the duo"."
- "songs of 2021 according" → "songs of 2021, according"
- "to the '70s."" → "to the '70s"."
- "They wrote, "With its" → "They wrote that "with its"
- "newspapers and broadcasters from" → "newspapers, and broadcasters from"
Done
Awards and nominations
[edit]- Write out the notable ones like the Grammys in prose above the table, i.e. provide a summary here
- Per WP:OVERLINK, I would recommend only linking to the edition of each awards show in the first table and using rowspan for the years 2021 and 2022 themselves
Done
Commercial performance
[edit]North America
[edit]- "the US Billboard Hot 100 with 27,000 downloads, 23.5 million streams and" → "the US Billboard Hot 100, with 27,000 downloads, 23.5 million streams, and"
- "the Hot 100 with 28,600 copies sold, 21.5 million streams and" → "the Hot 100, with 28,600 copies sold, 21.5 million streams, and"
- "It became Paak's first" → "The track became Paak's first"
- Pipe Drake to Drake (musician)
- "Katy Perry and Rihanna" → "Katy Perry, and Rihanna" with the wikilinks
- "helped by its placement in" → "helped by the placement in"
- Wikilink iTunes Store
- Mention the certification was for pushing 2,000,000 certified units in the United States and when
- "reached the top ten of" → "reached the top 10 of the" per MOS:NUM
- "to reach the top ten." → "to achieve this."
- Add commas around featuring Cardi B
- "rise to the top ten." → "rise to the top 10."
- "topped the chart becoming" → "topped the chart, becoming"
- "and Rhythmic chart." → "and Rhythmic charts."
- "It took four weeks to" → "The song took four weeks to"
- "to enter the top ten" → "to enter the top 10"
- Mention how many units it sold in Canada and the date of the certification
Done
International
[edit]- Pipe New Zealand Singles Chart to Official New Zealand Music Chart
- Mention how many shipments it had in New Zealand and the date of the certification
- "peaked at number ten" → "peaked at number 10" per MOS:NUM
- "It spent twenty weeks on the chart, so far." → "The song lasted for 20 weeks on the chart."
- "including Costa Rica where it" → "including Costa Rica, where it"
- "It also entered the top ten in Chile and top twenty" → "The song also entered the top 10 in Chile and top 20"
- You should not capitalize diamond
- "at its peak number of 18" → "at its peak of number 18"
- Mention how many sales it had in Portugal and the date of the certification
- "on the Dutch Top 40 charts after" → "on the Dutch Top 40 chart, after" but the entry position is not sourced
- "It peaked at number 13" → "The song peaked at number 13"
- Pipe Single Top 100 to Dutch Single Top 100
- "at number ten on" → "at number 10 on"
- "spending 58 weeks on the chart so far." → "spending 58 weeks on the chart."
Done
Music video
[edit]- Wikilink music video
- "Mars on the piano and" → "Mars on the piano, and"
- Lowercase the Hooligans per MOS:THEMUSIC
- "electric keyboard and other percussion instruments" → "electric keyboard, and other percussion instruments"
- "Silk Sonic and the band are wearing" → "Silk Sonic and the band wear"
Done
Reception
[edit]- "Mary Siroky and the Consequence of Sound staff" → "Siroky and the Consequence staff"
Done
Live performances and other usage
[edit]Grammy Awards performance
[edit]- "exchange with Mars telling" → "exchange with Mars, telling"
- Remove commas around Harvey Mason Jr. and Ben Winston
- "They made their performance" → "Silk Sonic made their performance"
- The 70s aesthetic is not sourced
- "replacing Paak, and the latter would sing along" → "replacing Paak, who sang along"
- "of "twinkle effects and star" → "of "twinkle effects and visual star" per the source
- "The performance received" → "The performance was met with"
- "Grammy Awards". Todiso dubbed" → "Grammy Awards", dubbing"
- Italicise Entertainment Weekly
- The source uses glooses, not glosses
- "ranking it eighth on" → "with a ranking of eighth on"
- "shimmery luxury soul."" → "shimmery luxury soul"." per MOS:QUOTE
- "from Los Angeles Times and MTV News's Patrick Hosken" → "from the Los Angeles Times, and MTV News's Hosken"
- [122][24][123] is not correct either numerically or lining up with the sources in prose
- "Zoe Haylock of Vulture commented" → "Haylock of Vulture commented"
Done
iHeartRadio Music Awards performance
[edit]- "they performed the song at the 2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards" → "Silk Sonic performed the song at the 2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards,"
- "velvet blazers" "with" → "velvet blazers", "with"
- No flat cap is sourced
- See Billboard source, please. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Where is the first verse sourced?
- ""crowd sang it" → ""crowd ... sang it"
- ""Let's go! Let's go!"."" → ""Let's go! Let's go!"" per MOS:QUOTE
- "to the chorus" needs a full-stop
- "an "up-close and" → "an "even up-closer and"
- "The performance received" → "The performance was met with"
- Add commas around writing for Entertainment Tonight
- "Nina Corcoran found it" → "Nina Corcoran found the performance"
- "Joe Lynch from Billboard praised their performance" → "Lynch from Billboard praised the duo's performance"
- "to would have."" → "to would have"."
- Italicise Entertainment Tonight Canada
Done
BET Awards performance
[edit]- Remove wikilink on BET Awards 2021
- The vaccination part is not sourced
- "and bottle service girls."" → "and bottle service girls"." per MOS:QUOTE
- "the new album?" and" → "the new album?", and"
- "to a commercial break."" → "to a commercial break"."
- "brought "the house down". Drysdale dubbed Mars and Paak's vocals" → "brought "the house down", while dubbing the vocals"
- "winning the BET Best Group Award." → "winning the BET Best Group award." with the pipe
- "with their velvety performance."" → "with [their] velvety performance"." per the source
Done
Other usage
[edit]- "at the 63rd Annual Grammy Awards" → "at the 63rd Annual Grammy Awards,"
- "Colbert" so Corden could "get some good ratings."" → "Colbert", so Corden could "get some good ratings"." per MOS:QUOTE
- "analog television set."" → "analog television set"."
- "It then proceeded to" → "The parody then proceeded to"
- "the TV on mute," → "the TV" on mute," since the actual quote ends here
- Merge the last two paras per the overly short size
Done
Track listing
[edit]- Add the sources for both of these
Done
Personnel
[edit]- Pipe mastering to Mastering (audio)
Done
Charts
[edit]Weekly charts
[edit]- The Israel source does not display the position
- Pipe Gaon to Circle Digital Chart, also the source is dead so I hope there is an archive with this position
- The Venezuela source displays a position of number 38, not 34
Done
Monthly charts
[edit]- Good
Year-end charts
[edit]- Pipe to Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 2021 should only be on Billboard Hot 100, for consistency with the first table
Done
Certifications
[edit]- Good
Release history
[edit]- Label → Label(s)
- Wikilink as Hot adult contemporary per MOS:LINK2SECT
- Wikilink Modern adult contemporary per above
Done
See also
[edit]- Good
Notes
[edit]- Good
References
[edit]- Copyvio score looks really good at 30.6%!!
- Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
- For any Billboard pro refs, cite them as url-access subscription since all those are restricted
- Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 5, 27, 28
- Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 7 per MOS:LINK2SECT
- AllAccess → All Access on refs 8 and 9
- Maybe ref 10 should cite Radio Monitor as the publisher instead?
- Pipe Complex to Complex (magazine) on ref 12 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
- WP:OVERLINK of Atlantic Records and Aftermath Entertainment on ref 16
- Cite AllMusic as publisher instead on refs 19 and 42, only wikilinking on the first instance
- Remove the speech mark from ref 20
- Remove staff from refs 21, 30, 43, 48, 49, 50, 52, 54 and 125, as only those who can be named properly should be cited as authors
- Author-link Jon Pareles on ref 23
- Cite MTV News as publisher instead on ref 24
- Cite Sputnikmusic as publisher instead on ref 25
- Wikilink NME on ref 26 instead of ref 148
- WP:OVERLINK of Los Angeles Times on ref 29
- Fix the formatting of ref 35's author
- WP:OVERLINK of Pitchfork on ref 38
- Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 41 and 109
- WP:OVERLINK of Uproxx on ref 45
- Remove the author from ref 52
- Wikilink Billboard Argentina on ref 60
- WP:OVERLINK of Variety on ref 66
- What makes ref 69 a reliable source?
- Launched in 1998, one of the most visited websites in Thailand. On top of that, the website and Joox are operated by the same company. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wikilink The Hollywood Reporter on ref 70
- Wikilink Media Forest on ref 90
- Wikilink Monitor Latino on ref 91 instead on ref 94
- WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 97
- Pipe People to People (magazine) on ref 115 instead on ref 119
- Billbord → Billboard on ref 122
- Author-link Jon Caramanica on ref 127
- Author-link Ben Sisario on ref 128
- Consequence of Sound → Consequence on ref 137
- Only keep the publisher for ref 167
- Cite Gaon Chart as publisher instead on ref 168 and pipe to Circle Digital Chart
- WP:OVERLINK of Rolling Stone on ref 176
- Only keep the publisher for ref 178
- Pipe Gaon Music Chart to Circle Chart on ref 191
- Cite hitparade.ch as publisher instead on ref 192
Done
Final comments and verdict
[edit]- On hold until all of the issues are fixed; the presentation seemed sloppy throughout, but this can be fixed with some work. --K. Peake 17:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the lengthy review. It might take more than a week due to what I stated above. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. So besides being quite busy, I have injured myself quite seriously in one of my shoulders. I will address all the concerns but it might take longer than a week. Sorry, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
@Kyle Peake: So I have addressed every issue but References. Nevertheless, I would like you to take a look at everything before I move on as I left some Q&A on the Production, Critical reception and iHeartRadio Music Awards performance sections. I have also tried to fix the lead section for the RIAA per your suggestion. Any feedback would be very much appreciated. Cheers, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MarioSoulTruthFan: You need to only link D'Mile and Anderson Paak. on their stage names in the lead too per MOS:LINKSTYLE, also my point about RIAA is that the average reader may not know you are referring specifically to the United States of America. --K. Peake 08:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: I believe I have fixed those issues. Moving to the referencs MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MarioSoulTruthFan: I look forward to seeing you complete these soon, however in the lead you should wikilink D'Mile where he is mentioned by his stage name only. --K. Peake 08:02, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- A couple more days should do. Thank you for the patience and ofc the review. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:34, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MarioSoulTruthFan: I look forward to seeing you complete these soon, however in the lead you should wikilink D'Mile where he is mentioned by his stage name only. --K. Peake 08:02, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: I have finished addressing the comments. Please take a look, as I left comments in various sections. My username is there. Regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- MarioSoulTruthFan Thank you, however multiple refs still have MOS:QWQ issues; this is when you are using double quotation marks inside the titles. --K. Peake 08:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: The ones that have "Blah, blah..."Leave the Door Open"...blah blah" are a problem? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MarioSoulTruthFan: Yes, as those are using the same quotations marks that surround the titles. --K. Peake 11:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: Fixed along with other minor issues. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MarioSoulTruthFan: Refs 5, 21, 34, 145 and 205 still need their MOS:QWQ issues fixing. --K. Peake 13:57, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: Fixed, but 205 has no problem. It's a certification. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- ✓ Pass now, took some time but we got there! --K. Peake 14:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MarioSoulTruthFan: You need to only link D'Mile and Anderson Paak. on their stage names in the lead too per MOS:LINKSTYLE, also my point about RIAA is that the average reader may not know you are referring specifically to the United States of America. --K. Peake 08:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)