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Santa Cruz de Tenerife tambien capital

Las Palmas: is ONE to Santa Cruz de Tenerife with whom it shares the status of capital city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.152.174.198 (talk) 09:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Area

Spanish version: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rea_metropolitana_de_Las_Palmas_de_Gran_Canaria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.32.232.30 (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is the second largest metropolitan area in the Canary Islands with 284.5 miles. Check the page in Spanish: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rea_metropolitana_de_Las_Palmas_de_Gran_Canaria#Proyecto_AUDES5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.40.236.24 (talk) 07:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The city is also the second largest metropolitan area in the Canary Islands, after Santa Cruz de Tenerife-La Laguna.^[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.246.81 (talk) 08:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, is not. Your source said nothing about it, second sources [1] says something else: Las Palmas - 884km², Santa Cruz - 739km². Inter-man (talk) 14:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, wrong, watch it on the page in Spanish.

Santa Cruz: 366,85 km²: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rea_metropolitana_de_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife-La_Laguna

Las Palmas: 284.5 km²: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rea_metropolitana_de_Las_Palmas_de_Gran_Canaria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.88.210 (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not sources. Local patriotism? Inter-man (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ según el propio ayuntamiento

The Parliament of the Canary Islands Santa Cruz is not in Las Palmas

The Parliament of the Canary Islands Santa Cruz is not in Las Palmas: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlamento_de_Canarias

And removed it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.88.210 (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Las Palmas has never been the capital of the Canary Islands only

Las Palmas was considered the capital of the Canary Islands, but without any real legal and thus was considered but never was capital for the whole of the right word, because it was only capital of the Canaries, La Laguna in Tenerife (and Yet this was for three centuries, while Las Palmas by two). But Santa Cruz de Tenerife it was with all the honors and legal and real capital of the sole and sovereign Archipelago Canario up in 1927 years with the shared Las Palmas. Greetings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.154.235.217 (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Officially, Las Palmas is the capital. Inter-man (talk) 17:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The largest urban core are Santa Cruz de Tenerife-La Laguna, which are two largest cities united to Las Palmas. Today is the capital, along with Santa Cruz de Tenerife, but was never the sole capital Las Palmas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.88.237 (talk) 11:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you consider Santa Cruz and La LAguna jointly, then in Gran Canaria you must consider Las Palmas, Telde and Arucas also jointly, and these three almost double the population of Santa Cruz+La Laguna. --109.151.162.180 (talk) 23:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you count population of Santa Cruz de Tenerife and La Laguna together, it is 153.187 + 224.215 = 377.402 and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria has 383.343. By the way, Las Palmas de Gran Canaria has common spaces with Telde (Jinamar) and Arucas (Tenoya). --Oflo84 (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ERROR

In this paper we are putting things that do not correspond to this city, as Arucas Cathedral in the city this Arucas not in this, the Basilica of this in Telde Telde and the Basilica of Our Lady of pine that is in Teror not in Las Palmas. I'll corrected.--BeneharoMencey (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arucas has a basilica not a cathetral.--Oflo84 (talk) 23:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lolita Pluma deleted from section "Notable natives and residents"

there's a STATUE of her, what more "verifiable source" do you need?

http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=%22lolita+pluma%22+statue&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.190.67 (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"When Lolita died in the year 1987, a large part of the Parque Santa Catalina died with her. The love of locals as well as tourists for Lolita was so strong that a statue was put up to remind them of this simple, but extraordinary woman. You can find the statue in a quiet corner of the park near the street Luis Morote which shows Lolita with two of her favourite cats."

188.28.190.67 (talk) 13:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Detailed Blog written about her / biography : http://historiascanarias.blogspot.com/2010/01/lolita-pluma-1904-1987.html Apparently Lolita Pluma was a big tourist attraction and very photogenic, so there must had been millions of photos taken of her (mostly on 35mm I guess). It was the Ayuntimiento de Las Palmas (Las Palmas Council) who placed this statue of her, I'm guessing they would of chose the place in the park where she was most often seen. 92.40.171.63 (talk) 21:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Roads section

I am unable to copyedit this section because I find it too confusing - the section lacks sources and lacks clarity, and the paragraph on the GC-2 needs the attention of a 'local'. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Las Palmas has never been the capital of the Canary Islands only

Las Palmas has never been the capital of Canary I think that it is necessary to erase this part, one is confusing many people with this information, many graces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tenerifecanarias (talk • contribs) 21:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You wrong. Subtropical-man (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No I don't wrog because I'm canary and the first capital was La Laguna. Tenerifecanarias (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Exist sources for previous version, Las Palmas was only capital. Subtropical-man (talk) 20:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I support that the lagoon was the first capital of Canary, am a historian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.62.162 (talk) 16:49, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are sock-puppet of User:Tenerifecanarias, so do not repeat yourself. Subtropical-man (talk) 17:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but las Palmas never was the capital of canary islands ,but they correct this mistake I will make it I. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.68.137 (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Las Palmas de Gran Canaria may has not been officially the sole capital of the Canary Island but even that, is has been the most important city ot the islands since it was founded in 1.478, some years before Tenerife was conquered.--Oflo84 (talk) 23:19, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"It has been the most important city" is not an objective fact (especially when it was not even the capital for many years) but a subjective opinion. Wikipedia users must maintain a neutral point of view. James343e (talk) 23:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 10:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Las Palmas de Gran Canaria → Las Palmas – This seems like an instance of official name vs. common name. I think the common name should be used here; doing so would create no further disambiguation problems because Las Palmas already redirects to Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, with Las Palmas (disambiguation) covering the others. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. The common name in English is just Las Palmas, and that title has redirected here since 2007. Jafeluv (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Clásicos Canarios de Automóviles

Clásicos Canarios de Automóviles (in Las Palmas) was a Spanish manufacturer of automobiles. Please translate from de:Clásicos Canarios de Automóviles. Subtropical-man (talk) 16:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Official name

I really think that this page should be name "Las Palmas de Gran Canaria". Even though the city is called "Las Palmas", it is not it real name. Just because New York is called "Big Apple", we should change it wikipedia page. --Oflo84 (talk) 23:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the world, common name is Las Palmas. Comparison to the "Big Apple" is very funny. Subtropical-man (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other sights on the suburbs

Other sights on the suburbs: Needless, nothing set forth in this section is in the city of Las Palmas and in this article are talking about the city not the adjacent communes.--83.40.238.142 (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Best Climate in the World?

After reading this article, it states "Las Palmas enjoys "the best climate in the world according to a study carried out by Thomas Whitmore". I think it is not necessary to indicate that Las Palmas has the best climate in the world. This has nothing to do with putting the city down or any other but we cannot tell which city has a good climate and which city has a bad climate, that is up to an individual and it should be written from a neutral point of view. It sounds biased because it is based on one person and the references used are all low quality (all of them are about tourism, so it sounds promotional) with none of them showing the original study. What defines the best climate in the world varies from person to person. I think this line should be removed. Ssbbplayer (talk) 07:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 17:27, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Las Palmas → Las Palmas de Gran Canaria – Original page was named Las Palmas de Gran Canaria as per its official name, but was surprisingly and swiftly renamed to Las Palmas in January 2012 on the contention that it is its "common name in English". However, this is open to a number of controversies:

It contradicts the city's actual name;
It leads to confusion between the names of the city, the island it is located in, and the province to which both belong (Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Gran Canaria, and Las Palmas, respectively);
It is a cause for common misconceptions, at a geographic (similar-sounding island of La Palma, also in the Canary Islands, and the city of Palma de Mallorca, colloquially shortened to "Palma", in the distant but still Spanish Balearic islands), political (name of island deliberately being confused with short-form name of the city, see below), and cultural level;
It is the cause of nationalist tension, with politically-biased proponents from other islands lobbying for a name change of the full island to "Las Palmas" on unsubstantiated claims that nobody uses the full name ("de Gran Canaria") anyway, and that the whole island should change its name to keep up with popular use vs. official naming;
Applying a simple benchmarking analysis, other cities around the globe also have "commonly used names" (in English and in other languages) that differ from the official name in that same language, which has not been used as a reason to change the page name. For example, in U.S., the most common way to refer to Washington, D.C. is simply "DC", despite which the city's article hasn't been renamed to DC, which is a disambiguation page. In Mexico, the most common way to refer to Mexico City is simply "el DF", but the page name remains unchanged, also in Spanish (see México, D.F.). As for the translated English version, "Mexico City" is the proper (official, if you will) name in English of Mexico's capital city, the same way that Venice is the proper English name for "Venezia". There is a proper translated name, which Wikipedia seems to regularly accept, and then there are popular misuses and misconceptions when translating a city's name, which Wikipedia seems to be condoning in this instance alone. Applying the same logic as in the Washington, D.C and Mexico, D.F. cases, the article's name should remain as "Las Palmas de Gran Canaria", with "Las Palmas" holding the current disambiguation page; and
Finally, there's Wikipedia's own rules and guidelines. Apart from WP:ON, there is also WP:WIAN (particularly the section dealing with Multiple Local Names) that should be taken into account. The city of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria has only one official local name, and one proper translation. Also, under WP:ON there is a lengthy explanation about when it is okay to use common names in lieu of official names, citing obscurity, competing authorities and frequent name changes as a reason to use common instead of official geographic names. None of these are at issue with the city of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, despite which its original article was renamed, it must be concluded, without proper justification. For completeness, note also that Wikipedia's manual of style recommending common vs. official names hasn't prevented the article about Madras being named Chennai (i.e. using the official name since 1996 to the detriment of its former and far more commonly used name in English outside of India).

As a result, given the absence of any reasoning or discussion when the decision was taken to move Las Palmas de Gran Canaria → Las Palmas, the arguments above speak to the need to revert the page name back to Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, keeping "Las Palmas" as a disambiguation page. As long as Wikipedia wishes to still be factually correct, that is. – 2620:0:1050:9:6119:9380:88BE:4BF0 (talk) 19:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 19:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I completely follow the nominator's sensible reasoning, but disagree with it. "Las Palmas" for the place in the Ballearics seems to me obviously primary, but that is perhaps my British bias that we all were told to go there on package holidays. (Also perhaps not, that my best man's wife is Minorcain, and there is a "Las Palmas" on Minorca/Menorca too). I disagree that "La Palma" is likely confused, even for an English speaker, with "Las Palmas". I absolutely accept the reasoning under WP:COMMONNAME, but under that same reason, I think Las Palmas in majorca is the common name. Si Trew (talk) 22:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where the ref below is coming from as it's not in this section, but the source is:

"Ups! Se ha producido un error..." [Oops! There's some mistake...]. laspalmasgc.es (in Spanish). Ayuanimentio de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. Retrieved 22 January 2015.

Perhaps I am an idiot but a requested move on this very discussion page resulted in a move to Las Palmas from Las Palmas de Gran Canaria as the common English name; here. (or just look above.) Si Trew (talk) 23:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Common name and by far the commonest use of the name, so clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:48, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be primary topic, and therefore we should probably oppose the move, with great respect. Red Slash 05:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I'm quite following the reasoning to oppose simply by stating it's a primary topic. What seems to be under discussion is whether we should favour a common(ly misused) name that leads to confusion, or the proper (and/or official) name for the place in English – regardless of how the city/island/province is advertised in tourist brochures. In other words, going with what's factually correct or turning to an unsourced opinion as an argument from authority. To this effect, I've utterly failed to find a place in the island of Minorca that bears the name of Las Palmas, despite Si Trew's assertion that there is one (unless he is referring to Palma de Mallorca – notice how that article's page name includes "Majorca" in keeping to its official name), which effectively proves the point that using shorthand on grounds that "it's how the place is known in English" (without sourcing or quoting from anywhere) should be avoided. If there weren't good enough reasons to move Las Palmas de Gran Canaria → Las Palmas in the first place, shouldn't that decision be reversed? Just my (respectful) two cents. 2620:0:1050:9:B42F:1863:E14C:E165 (talk) 14:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- What is official or accurate is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant is WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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You know something is wrong...

... when WP:ON and WP:WIAN are overruled by WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC without a single explanation, and when logic is defied with statements like "What is official or accurate is utterly irrelevant". No sources to support the original move decision, no reasoning given to oppose the reversal request. A lawyer's nightmare, and a blunder of encycolpaedic proportions. 2620:0:1050:9:B12A:99B6:5921:8C9F (talk) 17:34, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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OFFICIAL NAME IS NOT CORRECT

This has been going for years but apparently hasn't been fixed???? official name of the city is LAS PALMAS DE GRAN CANARIA. it is true that it is commonly referred to as LAS PALMAS, but this doesn't make it real or official. The name of this article is wrong, please modify asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zogas (talk • contribs) 09:18, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. The name of the article is compatible with Wikipedia:Common name. You wrote: "official name is not correct", the name of the article does not always have to be in accordance with the formal/official name. Also, for this name there is consensus, per Wikipedia:Consensus. Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 12:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus? What consensus? The page was renamed in 2012 from Las Palmas de Gran Canaria → Las Palmas with no debate or vote. One person suggested the move, another agreed. That was it. See for yourself above.

There was a subsequent request in 2015 to move it back. One person gave an opinion that Las Palmas was the city's common name in English. No citations, no evidence, no sources. The request to move the page back was well documented, provided sources, and was not based on opinion. To the point that the person claiming that Las Palmas was the city's common name conceded that the request to move it to Las Palmas de Gran Canaria was well reasoned. The very intelligent and final argument used to oppose the move back? "What is accurate is utterly irrelevant". In an encyclopaedia!

To quote WP:COMMONNAME as the only applicable policy while blatantly ignoring WP:CORRECT, WP:WIAN and MOS:PLACE is deceitful at best, and certainly circular since we're calling into question whether this is in fact the appropriate, common name of the place. In fact, Wikipedia is the only major source that insists on calling it "Las Palmas" rather than "Las Palmas de Gran Canaria".

See, for example, the following sources quoted on WP:WIAN:

https://www.britannica.com/place/Las-Palmas-de-Gran-Canaria Note how Las Palmas is the alternative title of the page, as it was in Wikipedia until 2012.
Pages 632 and 1117 of Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary. Las Palmas is reserved for the name of the province, Las Palmas de Gran Canaria as the name of the seaport city, which this page refers to.

For a Brit (as acknowledged in the 2015 move request) to tell us lowly people who actually live and/or were born here how our home should be named is culturally and racially insensitive, to say the least.

On the other hand, this is one of the reasons that allows me to keep questioning the credibility of Wikipedia, so keep it up. 77.97.85.24 (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous errors

Arucas, Teror, Telde and Santa Brígida are independent municipalities, they do not belong to the city of Las Palmas. Therefore, there should be no photos or mentions of monuments from these municipalities here.

On the other hand, places that belong to another island are mentioned, such as Plaza de España and Plaza de la Patrona de Canarias, which are both in Tenerife. 95.20.232.56 (talk) 07:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Short and to the point: articles about important cities like Las Palmas (capital and largest city of the region) also include suburbs/neighborhood. Nobody looks 100% at artificial administrative boundaries. You don't know Wikipedia's standards, so don't create unnecessary confusion. You do not have permission to remove information from the article without Wikipedia:Consensus and against Wikipedia:BRD and Wikipedia:Stable version. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, those will be the rules in Wikipedia in English, not in other languages... So this method would also have to be followed in the article about Santa Cruz de Tenerife, which is the other capital of the region.--95.20.234.232 (talk) 22:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say: (...) "rules in Wikipedia in English, not in other languages" - this is English Wikipedia and only English Wikipedia standards apply here. These are the rules of this Wikipedia. However, 'neighborhood' information is also used in many other language versions. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not in Spanish. In any case, it seems like a strange rule to me, this article is dedicated to the municipality and city of Las Palmas. Everything that is outside the municipality and city should not appear here. Only if there was an article about the metropolitan area of Las Palmas, it should appear since Arucas, Teror, Santa Brígida and Telde belong to that metropolitan area, but are nevertheless independent of the municipality and city of Las Palmas. One thing is the metropolitan area of Las Palmas (which includes the municipalities of Las Palmas, Arucas, Teror, Santa Brígida and Telde) and another is the municipality and city of Las Palmas, which is what this article is dedicated to. It's a very strange rule from the English Wikipedia.--95.20.233.121 (talk) 10:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Spanish-language Wikipedia also uses it, but not in every case and to a lesser extent. One of the most widespread examples are airports. 95% of the airports serving the city are located outside the city's administrative boundaries, but information about it can be found in every article about the city (which has an airport in its area). However, there is no point in continuing this discussion. You don't see the point in such standards, but other people do. Simply put: there is a main urban center and an article about the city describes important objects within strict administrative boundaries and the immediate vicinity. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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