Talk:Langley Hawkins murder case

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A fact from Langley Hawkins murder case appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a European settler in Kenya who tortured a black employee to death in 1920 was sentenced to just two years' imprisonment?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:27, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in 1920 a European settler in Kenya who tortured a black employee to death was sentenced to just two years imprisonment? Source: "With the assistance of Kisanda, Hawkins detained and interrogated three of his African employees, Mucheru, Richu and Kamanyu. All three were then subjected to a horrendous regime of beatings and tortures, some of which were committed by Kisanda alone, others by Kisanda and Hawkins together ... Finally, on 8 May 1920, Mucheru died. Hawkins' actions were described by Judge Maxwell as 'utterly heartless, callous brutality' yet the jury found for one conviction of 'Grievous Hurt' and two of 'Simple Hurt'. ... Maxwell handed down two concurrent prison terms for Hawkins, amounting to two years rigorous imprisonment." from page 485 of: Anderson, David M. (September 2011). "Punishment, Race and 'The Raw Native': Settler Society and Kenya's Flogging Scandals, 1895–1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 37 (3): 479–497. doi:10.1080/03057070.2011.602887.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rommy Hunt Revson

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 13:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Certainly a shocking read, thankfully a thing of the past (I personally feel most appalled by them beating a pregnant woman). But as for the review, yes, the article passes muster. –LordPeterII (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Technically that would be the appropriate tick, but it wasn't available in the checklist template. –LordPeterII (talk) 21:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to Langley Hawkins after he served his sentence?

Did he return to his property and try to get on with his life? Did he sell his property and leave Kenya? Was he born in Kenya as some (white) Europeans must have been if there were white men and white women living together in Kenya? Or, did he "settle" in Kenya from somewhere else? When and where did he die? Did his brutal torture of the suspects extract a confession that resulted in the recovery of the missing/stolen items or was it all for nothing? What became of the torture victims who survived? Did they or their families ever receive an apology of any kind from the British government, or any recognition from the Kenyan government after independence was achieved? I hope the author/authors of the article as posted will do the additional research needed to complete the story. Much respect. 2603:800C:3944:BC00:3967:DDAD:7549:2582 (talk) 07:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your interest in the article. Unfortunately Anderson (2011) doesn't provide any further details and I have been unable to find any other information on Hawkins. You might be interested in reading Watts and Betchart murder case which I have recently created on a similar case and for which I have found some information on the post-trial careers of the accused (at some point I will create Jasper Abraham murder case also) - Dumelow (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]