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Moving the article to "Lanfang Company"

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See discussion under Republic? below. I'd like to move it and also change the infobox, but wanted to get other opinions on a new target. The term republic is ahistorical and inappropriate but the term "Gongsi" itself could be translated in ways besides "company," though for consistency it makes sense to me to use Lanfang Company. Davidborgonjon (talk) 14:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Republic?

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Is it really a republic? Or is it a kongsi, a commonwealth, a cooperative/corporation/company? The Dutch East India Company operated like a state in the same area during about the same era akin to the description of Lanfang, but I wonder whether either can be called a republic. – Kaihsu 17:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It now says "modern name in Traditional Chinese: 蘭芳共和國". That still leaves the related question: What was its contemporary name? — Sebastian 21:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a republic. That's basically a term that gets used by the Dutch official and sinologist JJM De Groot in the 1890s as a metaphor (he says the kongsi's are like "little republics," and that the traditional Chinese village has a "republican character") to advance his point that the Kalimantan Chinese should be treated as its own political community and not as part of the the Malay sultanates on the coast. Sometime during the Republic of China (maybe in the 1930s by Luo Xianglin) this metaphor is then taken literally by Chinese nationalists and becomes part of a myth about Lanfang. I've deleted the phrase where it occurs in the article---the proper name should always be Lanfang Kongsi (or Gongsi), which is what it's contemporary name was. But the whole article should be renamed Lanfang Company or Lanfang Gongsi or Lanfang Kongsi. Davidborgonjon (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

zh:蘭芳共和國 has ‘蘭芳大統制共和國’ or ‘中蘭芳上古中國大統制元首共和國’ as the contemporary name. – Kaihsu (talk) 01:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

10 years before the U.S.?

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Yes, the current constitution was adopted in 1787, but the U.S. was operating under the articles of Confederation as a republic to some extent starting in 1777, and completely in 1783. So to say that the Lanfang Republic predates the U.S. by 10 years is misleading at best.Wldcat (talk) 01:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Foundation of lanfang

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Reference to Singapore

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The reference to being a predecessor to Singapore in the introduction is inaccurate. The circumstances under which Singapore became an independent republic in 1965 were very different. Although the Chinese are a majority in Singapore, the basis for Singapore's independence from Malaysia was that all citizens should be treated equally. In Malaysia, Malays were given special privileges. 175.156.71.200 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Map?

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A map would be really useful - just where exactly was this place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.142.162 (talk) 04:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Naming for the Hakka individuals

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According to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Romanization_of_names, "or when the subject of the article is likely to prefer a non-pinyin romanization as is often the case with people from Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and older overseas Chinese communities (for example, Lee Kuan Yew, Lee Teng-hui, Tung Chee-hwa)," I believe the Hakka individuals, and general naming of Chinese terms all qualify for this condition, and thus should be renamed into Hakka spellings, which the Pha̍k-fa-sṳ notation is adequate at doing. Of course, this should make an influence within this article only as most of the individuals don't have their corresponding pages. --Joshua.yathin.yu (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming of "Lanfang" into Lanfong

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This should be a separate issue. It would be a bit more complicated, and it depends how many Primary sources of the country have been written in English, quoting "Lanfang" as its name, or is it only just a convenient transliteration using Pinyin for Mandarin. If it was the later case, then it also qualifies for the above condition to use a Hakka spelling instead of Pinyin. --Joshua.yathin.yu (talk) 16:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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please DELETE this arcitle it is NOT historical best regards, alex grandi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:4870:95F0:55EE:248B:718B:F029 (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Veracity of the flag?

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I apologize if I'm not asking this in this way, but is there a way to properly verify if the flag in the infobox is real? The linked sources don't really seem super great and some of the links on FOTW are dead. I've seen it spread around the internet from here and FOTW so its kind of a pain trying to find anything to verify it. --Spiritual Sausage (talk) 04:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The yellow flag is just the words "Hakka" on a black background and has not (as far as I know) ever been used by any political group. The Lanfang Company was a Hakka dominated group but this flag doesn't make sense here. Davidborgonjon (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Founder names?

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the english wiki lists a Low Lan Pak as founder, with a hak.wiki linked to a 羅芳伯, which might sound like Low Fan Pak, if you take the name of the company/republic as Lanfang (蘭芳) having something to do with the person's name. the chinese wiki sort of has the first leader (could be different position?) as 陳蘭伯 (chen lan pak?) and second as 羅芳伯 at the beginning of the article and then later on just mentions 羅芳伯 founded the republic also suggests the 2 names could have been combined to give lanfang. meanwhile their infobox just say 羅芳伯 1777-1795 with no mention of 陳蘭伯. thoroughly confused. only came looking because a victoria 3 article mentioned lanfang. not hakka speaker, so uncertain about the pronounciations in the dialect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:6004:B001:3D4A:5E15:EA9D:1887 (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, your deduction is somewhat correct. The Lanfang General Republic indeed was founded by a Low Lan Pak or Luo Fangbo. But before the Lanfang Republic there was the Lanfang Company, who runs mining operations. This was run by Luo Fangbo and yes, Chen Lan Pak or Chen Lanbo (陳蘭伯). To my knowledge he did not play a big part in the formation of the republic. To be honest, not much is known about him. We know that Chen Lan Pak was from Chaozhou. and was brought along by Low Lan Pak to Borneo and thats about it.[1] the Lanfang Company in nature consists of a leader (also known as the eldest brother), two deputy leaders, the 'tail brother', and the boss, who are responsible for leading and handling various affairs of the company. One of these positions ought to be Chen Lan Pak.
So in conclusion? You're not wrong in saying Chen Lan Pak was the first founder of Lanfang. Though you need to separate the two Lanfangs'. Lanfang the company, led and founded by Low Lan Pak and Chen Lan Pak, and Lanfang the Republic, led and founded by Low Lan Pak. Though not reflective in nature, (imagine putting a CEO as the predecessor of a nation's first president because they once worked together), The Chinese Wikipedian Article just included it for information's sake. :) Kaliper1 (talk) 14:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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