Talk:La Raza/Archive 1

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Article Needs a Section on La Raza's Goals of Amnesty for Illegals and Open Borders

La Raza's main goals are amnesty for illegal immigrants and an open border setup whereby Mexicans could cross the border at will, use schools and other facilities paid for by US taxpayers, and so on. Some in La Raza also believe that parts of Texas, California, and New Mexico really belong to Mexico, but such people are more akin to fringe elements. The main contemporary purpose of La Raza is to get special treatment (amnesty) for the 12 million illegal immigrants who are living illegally in the US. However, amnesty would reward illegal behavior and give special advantages over other immigrants from all over the world who followed the law and waited in line.

This article deals with the term in general. This term is not exclusive to the context of American politics. In this article, La Raza is not an organization with goals or political agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.111.73.113 (talk) 23:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes; the original poster is referring to National Council of La Raza.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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Clearly notable. An attempt to delete this at WP:AFD would be speedily closed, and the nominator would be trouted.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:49, 9 June 2018 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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Propose for deletion?

This is in no way an encyclopedic article, it should be deleted and a portion of its content merged on race article--Tallard 05:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the statement "This is considered among many White Americans as a form of racial genocide and feel a race war on the horizon." Such a bold statement should have bold evidence. I would like to see a good source that shows that many White Americans feel a race war is coming (I don't think it exists, though.)malatesta 15:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you seriously suggesting there's no evidence of this? It's not only 'considered' a reference to racial genocide, it's been blatantly stated by members of the raza movement. The expression 'la raza' is spanish for 'the race.' Try a google search for 'eliminate the gringos' and you'll find about 15,000 references to the founder of La Raza Unida political party saying that mexicans need to kill whites and take land back from them. Next try a search for the phrase Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada. (For the race, everyone, for those outside the race, nothing.) Read the criticisms section of this wikipedia article. Here's a quote from an article on Zogby: ' This group’s charter calls for the annexation to Mexico—by violent means if necessary—of the entire Southwestern United States.' How about go to the Official MEChA website and look at their logo. Notice the stick of dynamite and machete it's holding? How about This article which quotes Art Oliver, former Vice Presidential candidate as having said 'My campaign headquarters received a package...The first page said the whites will soon go back to Europe, the blacks must go back to Africa and scribbled on the bottom was ‘and f*** Asians too. We will take our land back through RECONQUISTA!’ The next two pages are El Plan de Aztlan. It starts off ‘be warned Gringos’ and goes into how the La Raza de Bronze will drive out the exploiters and declares independence of their mestizo nation.' You want videos? Try a youtube search for 'la raza reconquista' There's no shortage of evidence on this topic. 64.58.187.215 (talk) 08:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Clicked on the links you provided and all that came up was a bunch of reactionary rightwing sites, nothing neutral or impartial, and nothing that speaks to the actual day to day concerns of the majority of the white American population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TruthfulPrince (talk • contribs) 13:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

The article needs cleaning up but La Raza is definitely a valid encyclopedic entry. Lincoln F. Stern 04:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the following part about a soccer team because it is totally unrelated.QuinS33 26 April 2008 (UTC)

"La Raza FC or La Raza Football Club is a succesful soccer team of young latin men originally from Madison, Wisonsin. The team started in Summer of 2007 in one of many Latin leages of the area."

This is poorly written.. it hasn't been proof read. The grammar is incorrect. There are many words spelled incorrectly. This article should be eliminated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.63.191 (talk) 06:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree this page should be deleted, it's extremely opinionated and lacks any cited material to represent claims.TheRealGriz (talk) 00:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

It needs to be deleted - there is no content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.247.180 (talk) 14:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Should not be deleted

However, I would like to propose that, due to John McCain's about to attend a rather prominent La Raza function, that this article be temporarily locked to prevent it from being hijacked and/or defaced. 07:47am on 06-MAY-2008 Dr. Entropy (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Dr. Entropy Dr. Entropy (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's wait to see if the vandalism actually develops. I'm watchlisting this article - let me know if I miss anything. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 11:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The entry reads neutral and factual. It should not be deleted. I question the motives of those who propose deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.50.223 (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Stub

I believe that this should be made a stub 76.29.89.32 (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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Off-topic; any further discussion of this belongs at Talk:National Council of La Raza.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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La Raza, Mexican Terrorist Organization

Since there are over 100 websites claiming La Raza is a terrorist organization, something should be said to this effect.

For example: http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=12710&catid=10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomsmith9999 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You are confusing the term "la raza" (which has a variety of meanings that differ from country to country or place to place), with the National Council of La Raza, a specific organization. 129.108.26.81 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC).

La Raza members support Sedition in the United States and affirm a belief the Southwest is occupied Mexican territory .They also support Communists and Socialist leaders who have committed political killings of those who dare disagree. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.253.74.179 (talk) 00:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

There is no major organization called just "La Raza" by itself. You are referring to certain conspiracy theories regarding the National Council of La Raza. The term "La Raza" is widely used outside of the United States and historically has little to do with Mexican Nationalism. --Sean Patrick Santos 06:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quantheory (talk • contribs)

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