Talk:LP1 (Liam Payne album)

"For You"

Why is "For You" listed as a single from this album but not from Phoenix? Billiekhalidfan (talk) 05:38, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Obviously it's some editor's/editors' decision to have not listed it at Phoenix. Ss112 07:07, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be excluded, though? Per Template:Infobox album#Template:Singles, it states: For songs that appear on more than one album, list the song as a single only for the album(s) where the single was released as part of the marketing and promotion of that album. Was "For You" ever used as promotion for the album? I know it was for the film adaptation of Fifty Shades Freed, but I don't ever recall its use for LP1. livelikemusic talk! 16:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Payne ever said it would be included on his upcoming album or not, so I included it along with every single he'd released prior because I felt it would be splitting hairs to not. If we don't include it, then someone would put it back in, it would be removed again, someone would complain in an edit summary or on the talk page, there'd be a slow-motion edit war between users and honestly I don't really care to debate that kind of thing anymore. Ss112 20:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, no offense, but that's what happens when fans get too involved, and we don't follow the guidelines set up for us to use. Realistically, I don't believe either Payne or Rita Ora ever mentioned it being from either of their album releases, nor do I believe its release was ever a focus for their solo projects. Same thing happened with "Love Me Like You Do" by Ellie Goulding. livelikemusic talk! 20:26, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: How do you intend "no offense" with that comment? I just told you why I did what I did. I don't see how it's being a "fan" that's "too involved" by including all the singles because I don't want to debate pointless things with editors. I didn't include them because I'm a "fan" and want them to be singles for this album—I don't particularly care whether they're listed or not. But if they are to be removed, there should be a consensus on which to remove and why, because editors will re-add the ones that aren't there. No matter what one chooses, there are complaints. If you exclude them, you're an editor deciding for the artist what is the lead single and making unilateral decisions that affect others; if you don't exclude them, apparently you're a "fan" who wants all the singles to promote the album for some unknown reason. Ss112 20:36, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

You're misunderstanding what I'm stating Ss112, my comments were in regards to IF the song was removed as a single, and it, and I re-quote you "If we don't include it, then someone would put it back in, it would be removed again, someone would complain in an edit summary or on the talk page, there'd be a slow-motion edit war between users," which is what I was responding to. And that is why this discussion is happening; if you honestly find it not necessary, and you genuinely do not care—as you've stated—then why continue your involvement in the discussion? I'm not trying to debate why you did what you did, or why you didn't do something else. I'm merely responding to the initial question, and putting my two-cents into the discussion—which included the cite of what the template cites to be a single from an album. No one is questioning what the first/lead single is. Nor did I call you the "fan" that is "too involved." I'm speaking of those who would continually re-add it (both registered and anonymous). livelikemusic talk! 21:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: Er, because you're continuing to respond to me directly? And you've just pinged me, hence why I'm responding. Also, you preceded your message with "no offense", after which usually follows a comment about the person you're speaking to. Others could hardly be offended if they're not being named. To clarify, I said I don't care about whether the singles are included or not. As one can clearly tell, I'm not debating their inclusion or not at this point, as this has moved beyond that—we're talking about the circumstances of including them, not whether to actually do so or not. This is becoming redundant and meta, and I'm done at this point. If anybody would like to debate what's actually included or not, do so at your own leisure below. I'm not playing a part, but there should be consensus and not edit wars. Ss112 21:08, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Re: Recent edit summary

Ss112: I was unaware of the the fact that infobox references are unnecessary when info is sourced in the article body, so thank you for making me aware of that. I believed the use of a Billboard reference would be more useful than using his own website as a reference.

Also, I think it's important for me to clarify: I didn't touch the genre section, so the inclusion of the sentence "releases should not be used for genres, since they are promotional and not an objective critical opinion" in an edit summary seemingly directed at me is clearly an attempt to make me look foolish or like I don't know what I'm doing. Sean Stephens (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

@Sean Stephens: The entire edit summary was not directed at you. I'm well aware you didn't add the genre from the press release—that was LOVI33, whose talk page I wrote on right after that as I neglected to tag them. Ss112 05:46, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Ss112: Alright, well thanks for clearing that up. I apologise for jumping to conclusions. Cheers 👍

(Not pinging you because I'm aware you dislike being pinged) - Sean Stephens (talk) 05:52, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Singles

I'm not sure why the term "bonus track" seems to remove singles from the infobox. "Strip That Down", "Familiar", "Get Low", "Bedroom Floor" where all included on this album and released on at least one edition simultaneously as the main album. I can't see factual reasons why they should be excluded from the infobox when they were clearly released in promotion of and as part of the set-up for this album's release. There are a plethora of other releases where song's appearing on deluxe editions or simply as bonus tracks are released as singles and included as part of the album's campaign such as "Super Bass" and "Girls Fall Like Dominoes" both by Nicki Minaj. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 00:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

On the basis that nothing at Album#Bonus_track says that singles can't be bonus tracks, I'm going to add them back for now. There should be a specific consensus or discussion if there is a valid reason for not including them. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 00:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)