Talk:LGBT visibility in the Eurovision Song Contest

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Paragraph form vs. table form

When there is lots of data to present, it is much easier to read in a tabular format than in a paragraph format. --A girl in Latvia (talk) 12:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of the article is, or at least I believe it to be, to provide an overview of many aspects of LGBT+ topics within the frame of Eurovision. I don't believe this article should get bogged down on including every single individual who has been present in the contest who identifies as LGBT+, since this isn't a list article, and I feel a category is a better method of allowing for a way to highlight individuals who competed in Eurovision who are also LGBT+. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I created a companion list article. A category is deficient because:

It only lists names, and no other information
By definition, a category cannot list names of people who do not have Wikipedia articles

--A girl in Latvia (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article isn't about people who identify as LGBT, it is about how LGBT topics and themes intersect with Eurovision. The table doesn't feel appropriate here. Grk1011 (talk) 14:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

huh wouldn't a greater lgbt theme be constituted of the different lgbt identities — among other things — from different esc entries? re: dana international, whose gender identity was anathema for many of the participating countries. divorcing identity from "theme" does not make the slightest sense. a table trumps any alternative. 118.200.181.172 (talk) 00:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted to the prose format, with additional text around participants who have come out in later life. The scope creep of attempts by other editors to list every single participant who has come out was never the intention of this article, which is why this has been dialled back now. Yes, some high level examples of notable LGBT individuals who have participated in the contest makes sense here, but only to a point, and a massive table trying to list them all is more of a distraction to the rest of the article. Please engage with us in this forum if you have further concerns. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sims2aholic8b ure fucking shit up for all of us 118.200.181.172 (talk) 00:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to give you a chance to rescind that comment. It's one thing to have a disagreement over an editorial decision, but harassment is not ok and can have consequences. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 07:58, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BOOOO

BRING THE TABLE BACK 118.200.181.172 (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

Would a section on Israel's participation being accused of pinkwashing fit within the "Criticism of LGBT visibility" section or would a new section be appropriate? (for the record these accusations have existed before the current invasion; https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eurovision-israel-lgbt-rights-pinkwashing-palestine-a8804851.html) 203.211.79.75 (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]