Talk:Korean Seon

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Mahayana

From: Buddhist Society for Compassionate Wisdom/Zen Buddhist Temple

The five major pronouncement of Mahayana teachings:

All sentient beings are buddhas.
Samsara is Nirvana.
One's passions are enlightenment.
We are an interrelated whole.
Everyday life is the Way.

~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Anyway - just a means of "Creating" this page -- Until yesterday (when I created an archive), I didn't know that I could create a new page (not having an account, etc). What needs to be established early on for this article is what distinguishes 'Seon' from other forms of Buddhism. ~~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 06:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 07:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Folks like me tend to get confused about the relationships among the various versions of things. Now that I think about it, it's not really different from "what's the difference between Lutheranism and Episcopalianism?", etc. Is 'Korean Seon' essentially Seon in Korea? ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, there are two categories of people who would come to this article: those who came here from a link (or search) and understand the context but are seeking deeper knowledge, -and- those who clicked on a link just to find out what it is in order to provide context to what they are reading from another article. In the case of the latter, if they are satisfied early, they might want to read further. Also, when googling, the right-hand pane usually displays the first sentence or two from Wikipedia - if that looks informative and to-the-point, they are more likely to come here. ~Just a thought ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Potential sources?

Coming soon. ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Joseon Kingdom

This section seems disproportionally long; perhaps you could break it into sub-sections, such as 'Early', 'Middle' and 'Late' periods? Any idea where to find sources? Unfortunately, the Joseon article is lacking citations in many sections. ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Joseon kingdom is the next section I have to rework. Thumb of rule: No citations = not reworked. I've found several sources; they're listed at the sources section. How's the leopard doing? (Or was it a cheetah?) Joshua Jonathan (talk) 08:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some people don't 'get' my (alleged) sense of humor. I thought with his 'advanced mathematics' background, ... oh well. I've managed to tie-up most of the loose ends that I left in my wake - most notably an ambiguity issue regarding subspecies of P. breviceps. Hopefully, I can be of some assistance without being too annoying. ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comprehensibility

This article is practically incomprehensible to a non expert reader. In the first sentence, there is mention of a "transformative facture" with no explanation what this is. This is ridiculous. Facture is not a word that is in common use. This article goes on in this vein time and time again like it has been lifted from a university textbook. Wikipedia is NOT a university textbook and this entire article needs to be rewritten to make it comprehensible to a non expert audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:C405:700:B96B:C9D5:2042:EE80 (talk) 19:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sôn/Sŏn

Several other sources online identify the Korean iteration of Ch'an by these names (or more precisely, these transliterations) and the article itself switches from Seon to Sŏn in the middle. It should at least catalogue this variant in the lede, and possibly also have a few words explaining it - i.e., the transliteration system it comes from. Laodah 17:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where the two transliterations come from, but Sŏn seems to be more common in more recent publications. I've mentioned the alternate form for now and maybe someone can better clarify in the future. --Spasemunki (talk) 05:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone's wondering, "Seon" comes from romanizing 선 using the Revised Romanization system, and "Sŏn" comes from McCune–Reischauer.

Academic publications are more likely to use McCune–Reischauer, and they're usually the ones to cover history pre-1945.

We should be consistent throughout this article though. I'm going to change it to be consistent with the current title "Seon", although that may not be the WP:COMMONNAME. If it isn't, then someone can find+replace my work later. toobigtokale (talk) 07:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]