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No of passengers

I've seen a lot of varied accounts of number of passengers. For example, Simple flying says 173 (162 pax + 11 crew) (see https://simpleflying.com/korean-air-airbus-a330-crash-lands-philippines/#update-2022-10-23-19-45-est-by-sumit-singh), while ASN says 176 (165 pax + 11 crew) (see https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20221023-0). Should we edit the passengers and crew section to TBC until the official statement is released? SBS6577P (talk) 04:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I read through several articles internationally about the incident, mainly they hinted 162 passengers and 11 crew. 165 passengers and 11 crew seems different and not really mentioned more in several medias, we should likely reinstate it to 173 instead (in total). Mastodon554 (talk) 03:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Air Algerie 5017 accident has occured in 2014. It has been confirmed that there were 110 passengers and 6 crew all of whom perished. I don't know why did you change that info 82.160.149.103 (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay...and how is that related to this KE631 accident? If you want to ask a question on another crash, do it on the user talk page or the talk page of that article, not here... SBS6577P (talk) 23:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved by TParis. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Korean Air Flight KE631 → Korean Air Flight 631 – Per WP:AVINAME, should not include IATA code. Current title (with KE631) can be included as a redirect. Not sure why the talk page title is different from the main wikipedia article, but my request is moving to without the IATA code, thus keep talk page title as it is. SBS6577P (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:AVINAME. Unsure why the article reverted back with the IATA code beside the flight number. RPC7778 (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per WP:AVINAME ThePoi (talk) 12:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support and added a request over there. HaydenWong (talk) 13:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. – Abacusada (t • c) 13:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. And apologies for making the move (without requesting) earlier. Vida0007 (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, I had attempted to move it last night to sync it with similar incidents, but as Korean Air Flight 631 already existed as a redirect the move didn't go through. I think this is an uncontroversial move and is covered under WP:BOLD.✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Boldly done--v/r - T P 16:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rreagan007 (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Notability

@SBS6577P, Mastodon554, and Dora the Axe-plorer: Pinging few editors to discuss about the notability of this article. In my opinion, this accident is quite notable as it resulted in hull loss of the aircraft, and the accident is well covered by the media. We have to wait if this covers WP:LASTING or not, but I think the notability matter should be settled before more work is poured in the article. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Technically this is a hull loss of the plane, so I think the criteria for WP:AIRCRASH is met. Also at least 15 different reliable news sources of at least 4 different languages such as Al Jazeera (English)^[1], 8world (Chinese)^[2], and HLN (Dutch)^[3], just to name a few, have covered the accident quite extensively, so it meets WP:GNG and WP:COVERAGE in my opinion too. SBS6577P (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is a definite hull loss of the plane and I have initially alluded several independent sources likely Bloomberg, Manila Bulletin, and Reuters. And yes, WP:GNG is already met. I've tried to add in articles in the incident followingly from the media, in order WP:AIRCRASH is initially met and covering the accident primarily. Mastodon554 (talk) 03:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] ttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/24/korean-air-plane-overshoots-runway-in-the-philippines

[2] ttps://www.8world.com/world/korean-air-overshot-in-the-mactan-cebu-1952881

[3] ttps://www.hln.be/buitenland/vliegtuig-met-173-inzittenden-schiet-van-landingsbaan-op-de-filipijnen-geen-gewonden~ad6415f6/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

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