Talk:Knifehand strike

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Lethalness of this blow

I think this article should address the potential for this strike to be lethal. The "karate chop" is a staple of action-adventure movies and TV shows, especially of the spy genre. I even saw the karate chop used against a person in a Flintstones episode (in which it was incorrectly called a judo chop). In most cases, the recipient of the chop is depicted as having simply been knocked unconscious... in some respects it became the action genre's equivalent of Star Trek's Vulcan Nerve Pinch -- a non-lethal way of knocking someone out in an exciting manner. Yet from what I've read the chop is often considered a fatal blow, and I know of only one instance where a spy series actually acknowledged this - an early episode of I Spy in which Bill Cosby karate chops a bad guy and states afterwards that he killed the man doing so. I think there might have been a similar reference in an episode of La Femme Nikita. Anyway, just my 2 cents, but I think it's a point worth discussing, especially given what appears to be a stereotypical (and potentially dangerous) depiction of this move in the popular media over the last half-century. 68.146.25.241 (talk) 19:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I totally get what you mean, and I actually added a section on this just now. It was a popular schtick all the way though the 50s, 60s and 70s. Yes, whacking someone in the neck hard enough will injure them. But it doesn't make them magically fall unconscious or crumple over dead with a gentle bonk. It seems to me in my observation, that this depiction fell out of favor in serious films as the public became more knowledgeable about martial arts. Nowadays I almost exclusively see it in comedy, where it's shown working in absurd situations (like against large animals) or failing to have any effect when expected. Like Bolt: the character is an actor (and a dog) who learns the hard way that things don't work like they do in movies. He even tries the "neck-chop from behind" trick only to find the guard doesn't even notice anyone's hitting him.Legitimus (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusivity of Ridgehand Strike/ Reverse Knifehand Strike to Taekwondo

It should be noted that the Haito-Uchi/ Ridgehand Strike/ Reverse Knifehand Strike is not exclusive to Taekwondo. Many martial arts/ ways make ample use of this strike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notultramegaok (talk • contribs) 12:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Lethatlity of Blow

I can attest to the knifehand strike being dangerous. I've had my collar bone broken accidentally during heavy contact sparring by an errant shuto- uchi. If you can engage in the practice of Tamashiwara( breaking) with it, then it should be able to cause bodily harm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notultramegaok (talk • contribs) 12:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i am also shocked we have the comedy side mentiend in the article yet nothing on real world lethality of this move. with moderate force any attack to the side of neck, jugular, windpipe or even a high hit to temple can be fatal. nearly all martial art schools will teach students of the lethal strike zones as they are most often a taboo area to hit. (in self defence you "may" be taught to exploit but in sports martial arts they are always forbidden). going on from above a hard hit can break bone int he area but a good solid whack to the nerves/muscles can also cause someone to collapse under the shock of the impact and in some cases will cause death. admitivly this is a hard and impracticle area to hit added with the fact that when you are tense expecting a hit this area elevates its muscles so it becomes harder to do damage.152.91.9.153 (talk) 21:39, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Danger of shuto

It is absolutely necessary to note how dangerous this strike is: injury on the opponent is of least harm it may cause. Nothing is mentioned in the article; an absolute must to warn about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.246.167.235 (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vocalization

The correct vocalization of this maneuver is "Hiii-ya!" This should be somewhere in the article. Mike R (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very true. It is actually physically impossible to perform the strike without saying "Hiii-ya!" It can't be done without that exact yell, and God help you if you try to get away with "Hiya!" Your hand will literally fall off. All that should be in the article too. The Cap'n (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Knifehand Strike? Sooooo Karate Chop then... :/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.166.86 (talk) 21:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to include this bit of information?

I would like to mention this historical example of the knifehand strike: [1]

Not sure about how to do so; what section to put it in?, for example.

IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 23:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe something about why it is never(?) used in mma could be useful? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OBD4 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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