Talk:Kistler Vineyards

California: San Francisco Bay Area Low‑importance

	California portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	San Francisco Bay Area portal This article is supported by San Francisco Bay Area task force (assessed as Low-importance).

Food and drink: Wine Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Food and drinkWikipedia:WikiProject Food and drinkTemplate:WikiProject Food and drinkFood and drink

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Related taskforces:
/
	This article is within the scope of Wines task force, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.

WikiProject Wine open tasks:

Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Wine:

Article request: Sebastiani family, Great Wine Capitals of the World.

Expand: any of the ~700 wine stubs, particularly the region and "miscellaneous" ones, Western Australian wine

Improve: Canadian wine, Greek wine, Vitis vinifera, wine serving temperature, Western Australian wine, other Start class articles

Articles to GA: Wine, Australian wine, Bordeaux wine, Burgundy wine, California wine, Champagne (wine), Chianti, Dessert wine, French wine, German wine, Grenache, Italian wine, Merlot, Pinot gris, Pinot noir, Rioja (wine), Spanish wine, Sparkling wine, Syrah, Tempranillo, Winemaking

Articles to FA: Cabernet Sauvignon, Riesling, Sauvignon blanc

Cleanup: Cleanup lists of wine-related articles: all articles and articles by category.

Unreferenced biographies of living persons

Copyedit: Aligoté, Cabernet franc, Malbec, Robert M. Parker, Jr., Pinot blanc, Rioja (wine)

Photo request: Just about all of them! Any pictures of wine regions, grape varieties or wine would be useful. In particular we need wine region maps that can be licensed for Wikipedia.

Collaboration: Operation stub-killer, Nominations for top level importance

Infobox: Template:Infobox grape variety, Template:Infobox winery

Other: Comment on the grape article template and on the grape infobox. Add to the Wikiquote page for wine: Wikiquote wine

view • edit • discuss • history • watch

Requesting quote: really need tighter reference

I added {{Request quote}} to the article after the reference to http://www.thewineadvocate.com. That citation is too broad and doesn't lead me to the citation. It should be tightened up or removed. Toddstreat1 05:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

100 Parker-poins, well, well... have I seen this kind of partial/misleading quotation of Parker before or not...? Wine Advocate # 132 Dec 2000: 1999 Kistler Pinot Noir Occidental Vineyard Cuvee Elizabeth (98-100). For those who are not used to deciphering Parker notes, (...) means a provisional note for a wine tasted from cask (or otherwise in an unfinished state). In these cases a wine is always given a point range. Quoting this as as a straight 100 is quite simply not correct! It seems that WA has never returned to this wine and tasted it after bottling, i.e., it has no final note. Also: less marketingspeak in this article, please. Tomas e 21:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it looks like I'm unable to tell the difference between Pinot Noir and Chardonnay... or perhaps I need to clean my glasses (spectacles, not wine glasses :-) )... The claim was about a 1999 Chardonnay, not Pinot Noir. I simply checked erobertparkeronline.com for a 1999 Kistler and took the highest-scoring I found, and that was the pinot mentioned above. The 1999 Kistler Chardonnay Cuvee Cathleen got a provisional note of (96-100) in Wine Advocate # 132 Dec 2000, and a final note of 97 in Wine Advocate # 142 Aug 2002. It's never correct to quote the provisional note after the final note has been given, and (96-100) is not 100, and neither is 97! I'm going to remove it. If anyone is intereted, the highest WA-rated Kistler wine is 2000 Kistler Pinot Noir Occidental Vineyard Cuvee Elizabeth which got 99 in Wine Advocate # 142 Aug 2002. No Kistler wine has ever been rated 100, according to erobertparker.com. Tomas e 22:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring Taber citation

I'm restoring the reference to the Judgement of Paris that User:Agne27 deleted and including a URL for further verification. Toddstreat1 12:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of notability

FWIW, there's a discussion of Kistler's notability going on over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine. Toddstreat1 12:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leading Chardonnay producer

Taken from a conversation on my talk page I have doubts as to the strength of that reference to Kistler being a "leading Chardonnay" producer. The reference in Judgement of Paris is part of an after index "How to do your own JOP like tasting" guide and Kistler is mentioned almost in passing with no collaborating statements to back up the claim that they are a "leading producer of chardonnay" (Sales, production volume, range of distribution, history? etc). It seems like an unsubstantiated personal opinion and just a token mention at that. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 22:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]