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I removed the following passage that remained without a citation for months:

It is believed that one of the reasons the album wasn't a success was because of Gene Simmons' rather satanic looking make-up and his facial expression, as he once said on a VH1 show : "The makeup just turned people off,they didn't want to be seen with it (the album cover)." --cholmes75 (chit chat) 21:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You Contribute My Part For Me, Please

Why aren't all of the songs listed?

Thanks for putting in the track listing. I still cannot believe it was omitted for so long for such a famous album! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.238.142 (talk) 22:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We were waiting for you! You are one of the band's biggest fans, and you know this track info blind-folded and by heart. But all you did was gawk, complain, and run, so we finally did it ourselves. Please remember Wikipedia is for everyone to edit. If you know it, put it in! Joe Hepperle (talk) 03:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

what is up with the 100,000 years section?

it does NOT read like a wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.44.10 (talk) 00:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Covers

Why are covers and cultural references all over "Cold Gin" but none of the other songs? I guarantee that every other song here has at least one cover done of it and a band named after it. A little consistency, huh? FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 16:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recorded: October–November 1973; April 1974 ("Kissin' Time")?!?

How could Kissin' Time be released in April? When the whole album was Released February 1974!?! Unless you mean the single was released in 1974? I mean it makes no sense, unless they went back in time... FM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 08:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was added to the album after it's initial release72.239.19.185 (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce Foster - acoustic piano, additional guitar Warren Dewey – fire engine on "Firehouse"?? Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Warren Dewey ENGINEERED the album And Bruce Foster ONLY played piano AND Firehouse was credited like so: Fire engine driven by the magnificent Eddie Solo, Marc Labow and Richie Wise AND you forgot to add some guy called Bobby Claps on Nothin' To Lose. I know because I have the original album So if you don't mind I'm going to go ahead and change the personnel section, thank-you... FM

If you can't be bothered to reliably source your edits as per this policy, then I do mind. Rob van vee 14:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, how do I go about changing the personnel credits then, Mister Smart Guy. :)) 3 Fire Engine truck drivers are looking for some credit. G*d bless 'em! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.161.217 (talk) 06:08, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy metal

@Venomous: as already stated, the source describes the rock/metal scene in general, they are not describing this album as these genres: "Kiss' 1974 debut is one of hard rock/heavy metal's all-time best releases" (i also find it weird that someone would listen to kiss's debut album and somehow conclude that it is heavy metal but that's another topic) --FMSky (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's purely speculation on your part. Author is literally states that it is one of the best debut albums in the hard rock/heavy metal genre. Trust me, we can do this all night; if you think they are metal or not doesn't matter. There are valid sources for heavy metal on most of the 70's albums, and that is why the heavy metal genre have been included on said albums for many years. It's early metal, not Sabbath exactly but still laid the ground for American metal. I would suggest watching the documentary Metal Evolution, there is a quote; "You can't talk about American metal without talking about Kiss." Venomous (talk) 17:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now we have a confusing mess where the first album is listed as heavy metal, the 2nd as proto-metal, the 3rd one not listed as metal at all, and the 4th one again as heavy metal.. --FMSky (talk) 17:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will explain further: 1st album is partly heavy metal, second album is partly (even more than the first) heavy metal. The third album displays basically no heavy metal, therefore heavy metal is not present as a genre. Kiss' sound can vary a lot between albums, so there isn't really a pattern. Dressed to Kill, Rock and Roll Over, and Dynasty for example are not heavy metal at all, only pure hard rock. So some albums display heavy metal, but other albums don't. Venomous (talk) 18:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First couple of albums were also glam rock, that should be added imo --FMSky (talk) 18:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1st album is absolutely glam rock, and it is listed. We actually had a discussion over on the KISS Forums how many of the early albums could be considered "glam rock", and the overwhelming majority only listed the first album as glam rock. The second album is far too gritty, that's why it's labeled as proto-punk, which is almost garage rock, most of this comes from the super raw and gritty production. The third one is not nearly as gritty, but very straight hard rock. The first album came out just as "glam rock" had already started to fade, which is why the first album is generally the only glam rock record they did. Venomous (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]