Talk:Kingdom of Africa

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Did you know... that the Kingdom of Africa was established by the Sicilian Normans in the 12th century in what is now Algeria, Tunisia and Libya?

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Title

A fine article, but if, as the is made quite clear, there was no actual state or dominion called "Kingdom of Africa", shouldn't the title be something else? Descriptive perhaps, "Norman rule in North Africa" or something like this? Constantine ✍ 18:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To me, "kingdom of Africa" is the simplest, most elegant way of referring to the African domains of the Sicilian Normans (and it is well-used in the literature). Calling it "Norman rule. . ." suggests something distinctly Norman about it, but there was almost nothing distinctly Norman about it. I'm open to ideas, though. Srnec (talk) 00:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If it is well-used in literature as a specific technical term, I am OK with it, especially since I can't really think of an elegant descriptive title either. Anyhow, really nice job! Constantine ✍ 15:11, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

When we move on the history of Tunisia, we end up at some time on the Kingdom of Africa, however, we can't see what was after and before it. Also we'd need general information on it.Tounsimentounes (talk) 06:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The point of infoboxes is not to create sequences or timelines of articles. The infobox is cluttersome and ugly. What about a succession box at the bottom, like below? Srnec (talk) 22:27, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Preceded by Zirids	History of Tunisia Normans (1146–1160)	Succeeded by Almohads

Internal rebellions

This section has something missing. It says Tunisians feared attack, although Roger was too distracted by war with Byzantium to be a threat. So whom did they fear? The Almohads?

I tried to clarify it. Srnec (talk) 02:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Hi AvailableViking, since there is disagreement, I've opened a discussion here, per WP:BRD. (I'm not sure if you were also the one who made the original edit here?) Srnec can also further explain their objection, if they want.

For my part, I am a little skeptical of having a full "country" infobox for what is simply a temporary territorial extension of the Kingdom of Sicily. This also seems to lead to some WP:OR in the proposed infobox; e.g. what counts as the date of "establishment"? According to the article, 1135 is merely the capture of Jerba; expansion to the mainland didn't occur until the 1140s. And why is Mahdia the "capital"? Etc. An infobox is useful in the right context, but it's also a blunt instrument. If there's a consensus on how to make it work, I'll defer to that of course. R Prazeres (talk) 20:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i did make the original edit and i see it as a good edition of the article, as for the kingdom itself i think since it is called the kingdom of Africa and is part of the kingdom of Sicily i would consider it like a constituent country in the same way that the holy roman empire had the constituent countries of the kingdom of Italy and the kingdom of Germany even though they were part of the same kingdom/empire but that is just my reasoning. as for the capital and the dates i merely used the french and Italian versions of the page and those factoids can be easily fixed. AvailableViking (talk) 20:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]