Talk:Killing of Bijan Ghaisar/Archive 1

Archive 1

6 grams....

There is some disagreement about whether or not to include the information that 6 grams of marijuana - which is, basically, about a teaspoonful - were allegedly found in Bijan Ghaisar's Jeep after he was shot. Also, as of this revert the autopsy information is now included in two places in the article. Let's discuss and come to a consensus. Shearonink (talk) 15:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

While it might have a place somewhere in the article, it certainly doesn't belong in the section about the parties involved, which are brief biographical snippets.Bangabandhu (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Demonizing allegations by self-serving police are not "information". You don't even have a reliable source. -- 72.194.4.183 (talk) 05:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Consensus

[Moved Novanews post from User talk:Shearonink to keep the discussion centralized. Shearonink (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)]
I am fine finding a new location, but it is very pertinent to the case. It is not meant to slander or provide justification for any of their actions. It is not a large amount, but is almost a quarter of marijuana and would have been a crime as you mentioned during that year. Novanews (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)(Bijan)

6 grams equals .22 ounces. There are 459.62 grams in a pound. Not sure what you mean by a "quarter of marijuana".

Also, per Page 7 of this 2017 Virginia State document, in 2017 such an amount would have been classified as a misdemeanor and, as a possible first-time offender, Ghaisar could have entered "into a statutory first offender program to have the charge deferred and dismissed."

I am morally queasy about including the information about the alleged marijuana in the car for a couple of reasons: 1)It only is stated in the information that the defendants'(Park Policemen's) lawyers released. 2)It was not released by the court or by the Ghaisar family. 3)If this information is included why not include any possible personnel issues that Amaya & Vinyard have in their files? That's part of this event - if we include facts and alleged facts about Ghaisar then Vinyard & Amaya should be treated the same. Shearonink (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

a) It doesn't justify his murder. b) It's completely irrelevant. c) It doesn't come from a reliable source.

"it is very pertinent to the case" -- wrong. "It is not meant to slander or provide justification for any of their actions." -- wrong.

--72.194.4.183 (talk) 05:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I support inclusion of the disciplinary record of the officers. If I have time I'll add it, if its been reported. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Different subject. The past violent behavior of murderers is relevant. "if its been reported"--um, yeah, that's a requirement.--72.194.4.183 (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure how both of those things are wrong? I never said it would or does justify murder nor am I advocating that. I am in agreement with including any information about the two officers other than being put on leave. I am currently looking into Vinyard and Amaya prior reports. I am not seeing any sources with previous reports. Either of you have any luck? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Novanews (talk • contribs) 15:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I find the marijuana presence important. The public is hearing on the local news, that this motorist was shot for no reason. The truth (as I understand it) is much more complex. This motorist was behaving very strangely, leaving scene of accident and repeatedly leading cops on a high speed chase and escaping once (maybe twice) after pulled over. The question is why was the victim behaving so strangely? So now I hear the marijuana perhaps partially answers that intense fleeing instinct displayed by the victim. The Park police behavior of course also questionable, seemingly the responding officers lacked training to handle this situation more effectively. TBILLT (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)