Talk:Killing of Antwon Rose Jr.

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Ryan Deto (2020-09-18). "Antwon Rose's Wikipedia page edited to imply he was a "criminal" after two Steelers players broke away from Rose's tribute". Pittsburgh City Paper. Retrieved 2020-09-23. But instead, racist attacks against Rose started to proliferate on social media and eventually users even edited Rose's Wikipedia page with outdated information and false smears like calling him a "criminal."

On 22 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Shooting of Antwon Rose Jr. to Killing of Antwon Rose Jr.. The result of the discussion was moved.

Contradictory statement

This seems contradictory: "Rose was the first person killed by the East Pittsburgh Police Department since at least 2015. It also said that in that time, 23 percent of those killed by police officers, and 36 percent of all unarmed persons killed, had been black." Had people been killed during the time or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2timepdx (talk • contribs) 02:34, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy. Second sentence refers to the whole United States. I edited and clarified. Lyttle-Wight (talk) 14:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Lyttle-Wight and 2timepdx. -Darouet (talk) 19:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Z.

It is not clear if Hester is being charged with murder or not. It is not clear if he has killed anyone or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.68.5.159 (talk) 11:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Z. Hester has been charged with attempted homicide, which is attempted murder. He is being charged with some other offences, in addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.87.6.182 (talk) 15:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FYI.

Allegheny County District Attorney Steve Zappala held a news conference to announce the indictment of Officer Rosfeld. Zappala revealed several facts which do not appear in this article, which are pertinent, and could be included.

1) No one was killed in the earlier drive-by shooting.

2) The two guns found in the car were a 9 mm Glock pistol and a .40 Glock pistol.

3) The empty 9 mm magazine found in Antwon Rose's pocket fit the 9 mm Glock pistol found in the car.

4) Antwon Rose was riding in the front seat of the car during the drive-by shooting.

5) Both pistols were found under the passenger-side front seat.

6) The 9 mm pistol was towards the front of the seat, accessible to the front passenger.

7) The .40 pistol was towards the rear of the seat, accessible to the rear passenger, Hester.

8) Hester is 17, but is being charged as an adult.

9) At the scene of the drive-by shooting, a man in a red shirt returned fire with a .45-caliber pistol, striking the fleeing car.

I didn't add any of the above facts to the article because I don't know how to cite the news conference. Perhaps someone could find a video of the news conference, confirm my recollections, and edit the the article accordingly, with the correct citation. Thanks Lyttle-Wight (talk) 18:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Is this news conference, with all these details, reported in a reliable source? Maybe the District Attorney's office issued a formal written statement? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do think some of this material is covered by reliable sources: in particular I'd refer to this article [1] that's already cited in the "indictments" section. -Darouet (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why, nearly 2 years after being brought up in this "Talk" page, were none of the above details (if accurate) added to the article--especially that someone returned fire (which would explain the bullet holes in the car door)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not all of the information provided is necessarily WP:DUE. Bullet holes being observed after the drive by shooting imply the car was shot at, but feel free to add a sentence about it if you feel that it’s necessary. Just remember to properly cite the RS Anon0098 (talk) 03:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

unrelated facts

this article is named "Shooting of Antwon Rose". But it contains numerous claims and assertions that are not relevant for that shooting, namely all the details relating to the question if and how Rose earlier that day participated in a drive-by shooting. None of that has any bearing on Rose's murder, and the ample inclusion suggests to me that it is intended to somehow justify that murder. This should be cut from the article, and the article should focus on the actual shooting of Rose. Wefa (talk) 18:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it was days before then it would be irrelevant, but the participation in the drive-by shooting ten minutes prior is what lead up to the shooting of Rose, so it is necessary in order to put it into context. Explaining the situation does not amount to justification Anon0098 (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed 100% with Anon0098. We cannot leave out the drive-by; Officer Rosfeld pulled the car over because it matched the description of (and was in fact) the car used in a drive-by. See, for example the "Shooting of Michael Brown" page, where his theft of cigarillos is included. Elle Kpyros (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The earlier events are highly relevant, but their prominent mention in the first sentence is non-neutral and amounts to POV-pushing. It also creates an absurd initial run-on sentence at the article's very start. -Darouet (talk) 02:50, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I reorganized it to put the drive-by shooting in its own section. Details about it were scattered throughout the page so it is organized better this way anyways Anon0098 (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Recent Changes

I understand there have been changes in the structure of this article since the one I reverted it to. However, I reverted the article to the last legible format. There were open links in the middle of the text and various other problems. Add to this, change the structure, or delete unnecessary content. But make sure it is presentable. Anon0098 (talk) 04:37, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 January 2021

Killing of Antwon Rose Jr. → Shooting of Antwon Rose Jr. – Article was moved without consensus Jax 0677 (talk) 00:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article has been moved back to Shooting of Antwon Rose Jr. If editor Albertaont, who moved the page to "Killing of..." without previous discussion, would like to open a move request, please follow the instructions at WP:RM. Happy New Year to all! P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 02:30, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lede is All Screwed Up

Getting into the details of the gunshot residue and the presence of a magazine and a drive-by shooting, etc... is not supposed to be in the Lede. The narrative starts out with a Police Officer and a teenager. One was doing one thing and the other was doing another thing, and eventually the Police Officer shot the teenager. That's the Lede. You can explain all the details in the body where they belong.68.206.248.178 (talk) 22:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This information is WP:DUE since it describes the context of the shooting. Removing that removes the context for acquittal Anon0098 (talk) 21:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Shooting of Andy Lopez which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]