Talk:Kirka Sharif

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:18, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Kirka Sharif is an Islamic shrine located in present-day Kandahar, Afghanistan?
  • ALT1: ... that Kirka Sharif became notable in literature during the Second Anglo-Afghan War, when the British Indian Army were trying to gain influence in Afghanistan?
  • ALT2: ... that Kirka Sharif is believed to house the cloak of the Prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam? Source: [1]
  • ALT2a: ... that Kirka Sharif houses the cloak of the Prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam? Source: [2]
  • ALT3:... that next to the Kirka Sharif is Ahmed Shah Durrani's tomb? Source: [3]

Created/expanded by Zakaria1978 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

• Hi Zakaria1978, welcome to DYK. This article is currently not eligible for DYK. It is a little under the minimum length of 1,500 characters of text and there are no citations for the "Mosque" section (the DYK rules are listed here for reference. If you can remedy this then I will happily take another look for you - Dumelow (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• Nominator is no longer editing. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

• Dumelow and Yoninah, I am so sorry for the late response. I work in the medical field and I have been super busy at work because of the global pandamic. Had to be on call and do overtime the last few weeks. I added more references and content to the article. Please reconsider my DYK, I sincerely apologise for this. Again, my work became very stressful. As you know, the Global South on Wikipedia is not well covered per Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Politics, and this religious site is very important to WP:Islam and WP:South Asia/WP:Central Asia. Please reconsider and kindly let me know what I need to do. Zakaria1978 ښه راغلاست (talk) 17:46, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Zakaria1978, apologies for delay in replying, I have been away over Christmas. Happy to look again at this. One query though, is this the same as the Shrine of the Cloak (Kherqa Sharīfa) which we already have an article for? - Dumelow (talk) 09:54, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

One is the actual building and the other is about the sacred object. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 13:50, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Zakaria1978: The way that Shrine of the Cloak is written currently seems to refer to the building. For example it is listed on the "Mosques in Afghanistan" template and is in the "Mosques in Afghanistan" and "Buildings and structures in Kandahar Province" categories. If Shrine of the Cloak is about the cloak alone it should be at Cloak of Muhammad or possibly Kherqa - Dumelow (talk) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, just like Kanishka casket which was found in the Kanishka stupa (now located in Peshawar Museum), the sacred cloak which was worn by prophet Muhammad (PBUH) during the famous Isra and Mi'raj can be moved to another location or museum - like the Kanishka casket has been taken from the famous stupa to Peshawar museum. The Kirka Sharif on the other hand is the structure with its own history and importance surviving centuries and empires, from the Durranis to the British. Yes, the other article's true name is Cloak of Muhammad. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 14:36, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Zakaria1978: OK, I've moved the old shrine article to Cloak of Muhammad and linked it back to this one. I've also move content relevant to the shrine to this article from the other. I've probably become too involved to carry out an objective DYK review so I'll relist this for a second opinion - Dumelow (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you! Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 19:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

• New enough, long enough. Passes earwig. No QPQ needed. Approving Alt 2. --evrik ^(talk) 23:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this. I edited and reorganized the article, and removed most cites from the lead. However, the fact about the shrine becoming notable in literature is not cited anywhere in the article. Also, as we are talking about a shrine, there is no description of the architectural design or its date of construction; a section called History or Description should be added right after the lead. Does anyone visit the shrine? This should be part of this new section too. Yoninah (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Yoninah, I will look over your recommendation soon. I am very busy at work, I am in the medical profession. So, very busy right now. But, will have something within the next few days. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah! The description is noted on the "Friday Mosque" section. Stats on how many people visit Kirka Sharif are unavailable due to the War in Afghanistan (2001–present), where it is located. If you could consider my DYK in view of this, that would be awesome! Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 05:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Zakaria1978: There seem to be two different structures here, a shrine and a mosque. The description of the mosque is under Friday Mosque. Where is the description of the shrine? Yoninah (talk) 11:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

The only RS that talks about a description of Kirka Sharif mentions that "walls are decorated with carvings of trees and other foliage, each design different from the next." This is already in the article. That's probably the best I can do. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi there. This seems to have been waiting for a while, and Yoninah has been inactive for a while. I'll pick up the review and post comments shortly. Edge3 (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

ALT2 is ready. I did some copyediting myself, and I checked the sourcing for the hook. Article is still long enough and free of copyvio and other policy issues. Edge3 (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

hi all, sorry to be a pain, but the hook (and, more importantly, the article itself) contain several occurrences of the unattributed phrase "is believed to...". This phrase is listed at WP:WEASEL as something to avoid, since we have no way to evaluate the truth of such an attributed assertion. Please could it be amended to say exactly who believes this, and preferably what the evidence (or lack thereof) actually is? @Zakaria1978 and Edge3: FYI. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• Amakuru: I fixed it, the sources clearly mentions what was claimed. So, it was my issue for writing it that way. Now fixed. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 15:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

  @Zakaria1978: ah great, that's fine then. If that's the case, shall we just go with Alt 2a which I've proposed above, stating the fact directly? I can approve that if you're happy with it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• Amakuru: Yes, I am absolutely happy with that. Thank you for your help. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

approving ALT2a as per above. Thanks, Zakaria.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)