Talk:Khen dynasty

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@Chaipau: I don't know why shin is referring to Waddel 1900. But her scholarship is recent. Anybody can reuse any idea from any period, is there any objection? This isn't old. This was published in 2021.Northeast heritage (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Northeast heritage: I removed Waddell but retained Shin. But you removed Dorji (2005). Could you please restore Dorji and his claim? Thanks. Chaipau (talk) 16:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaipau: You kept only the citation, not the text. Let us discuss on Dorji's claim as per citation:"A Khen chief established a dynasty in Kamata (kamrupa) by virtue of his courage and skill. We have evidence of three kheng kings of this dynasty who ruled Kamrupa (Kamta)." I am not convinced if Khen and Kheng can be connected as per cited text. If you can access the journal article, please proceed. Northeast heritage (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added Dorji's claim with required citation tag.Northeast heritage (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why citation required, when the citation was already there when you deleted it? Shin also mentions "Khyen", which is probably an older spelling for "Kheng", an ethnic group from Indo-Bhutan border. I donot understand your actions, but I have restored the citation as given earlier. Chaipau (talk) 16:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a tribe called Khyen or Khen in Rangpur region (at present in Bangladesh). I don't think Khyen or Khen is spelling for the Bhutanese tribe. I'm afraid I have to disagree with Dorji because his claim doesn't give any explanation. Northeast heritage (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shin refers to Indo-Burmese Khyan people. Some recent scholars claim Khen dynasty to be Rajbanshi as per the article by Shin. Northeast heritage (talk) 17:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which recent scholarship? Even though Wikipedia is WP:NOTFORUM, I find this recent tendency make everything about the some tribal groups rather worrisome. Here are some pointers.

Shin makes a distinction between the Koch and the Khens.
Shin specifically calls the Khyens a group from Indo-Burmese border. (The ethnic identity of the Khens is not known precisely; they may have been associated with a tribe called Khyen in the Indo-Burmese border) Your identity that they are from Rangpur is your own POV.
The Koches in a certain region became Rajbanshi - in the late 19th century. How could a 15th century dynasty belong to a late 19th century community?

Chaipau (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC) (edited) 17:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shin has used Waddell and other scholars' ideas. I think you didn't understand what I tried to explain. I just replied to your older spelling pov. These are unrelated things. Wikipedia doesn't need our assumptions. How Khen and Kheng related isn't explained by Dorji, in my opinion this source is very poor. Northeast heritage (talk) 17:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]