Talk:Kevin Garnett

POV in article

A lot of this article uses the words "widely" and "is considered" and other masks for point of view. Just because you are saying that something is generally agreed upon doesn't mean it is. You still have to cite sources if you're stating something debatable. Someone please clean up this sloppy article.

please sign your edit with four tildes so i dont have to strike it out. thanks--Gephart 05:52, 23 April 2006 (U

Consecutive In-n-Out Double-Doubles

I think Seyoum Yohonnes broke or at least tied the record for most consecutive double doubles with around 28 or 29. Can anyone help me out, i am having troubling find sources. Danka shane. --Gephart 05:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

He didn't set a new record, as Moses Malone had 44 in a row in 1983. However, his streak (I believe it's at 31 games) is the longest since then.Greb 18:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Player profile

My contribution was reverted: "Garnett relies on his quickness to get near the basket and great midrange jumpers to score points. He is a superb rebounder and a good passer, unusual for someone at his size and position." Is it really needlessly flowery? Just pointing out how he plays. I'm not even a KG fan. Aree 15:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is a link to the specific updates you made, and I reverted. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Garnett&diff=84645045&oldid=84606614 The "large toolbox" metaphor, aside from being a little odd, didn't seem to be a helpful edit. Is his "toolbox" larger than other players? Is this an arbitrary measurement? Would a reader who knows nothing about Kevin Garnett understand it? As far as "flowery" language, I was mainly referring the glowing adjectives used in characterizing his abilities. Terms like "suberb", and "great" are arbitrary, and depend on your POV, that's why they should only be used in the context of a notable, cited source, such as a quote from Bill Russell. If you want to convey that he is superb, or great at something, use measureable, verifiable statistics to support that assertion. ---Jackel 18:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright. I'll get some stats/quotes to back it up. You would agree that KG's specialty is his broad range of skills (yes, definitely larger toolbox than most PFs) and that he is a superb rebounder. I'll find somewhere to add to it. Aree 02:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Aree, I appreciate your efforts to improve this entry, but I rv'ed this, "Garnett relies on his quickness to get near the basket and midrange jumpers to score points." I don't see it as helpful information. What players DON'T use their quickness to improve their position? Are mid-range jumpers the ONLY way Garnett can score? I agree that Garnett is an agile, quick player for his size, and that he has solid shooting skills, but its only notable if its verifiable and cited. Same goes for his broad range of skills; it may be true, but Wikipedia requires verifiability, not truth. ---Jackel 14:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, that is Garnett's game. Which PFs rely on quickness as their weapon? Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Chris Bosh. Which PFs don't? Elton Brand (strength), Tim Duncan (tactics), Dirk Nowitzki (shooting up to 3pt), Boris Diaw (passing). Of course they have some quickness as well but that's not what they rely on. What I'm trying to do is point out his above average attributes over generic PFs, so people get an idea of his game, not just numbers.

Every player has a primary scoring move and then counters for each defense. Garnett's first option is midrange jumpers near the top of the key, similar to Nowitzki. But there are other primary moves, like Stoudemire (catch and dunk), Duncan (angled bank shots), Marion (constant off-ball movements), Brand (posting up). If I really have to get verification, I'll try to refind the statistic that said 70% of Garnett's points come from the free throw area, but sorry, can't afford the time.

I think Wikipedia's verifiable rule should be taken with a grain of salt. It's great if everything can be verified like scientific papers (I am a scientist, so I know about citations). But 100% scientific is Wikipedia not. A lot of Wikipedia's knowledge is formulation of a collective mind, which origins are hard to point out. Garnett's midrange jumpers ability is an integration of SLAM's feature article on KG, Bill Walton's commentating, Sam Cassell's interview... you get the idea.

Besides, I think too strict an adherence to the rule can hinder an article's progress and the community loses as a whole. For instance, when I browse through soccer (which I'm no expert at), the information on Frank Lampard I benefit most is the "known for his powerful long-range shots from midfield" (useful, hard to verify) rather than the number of goals he scored as junior (easily verifiable, not useful). At the expense of a little "doubt" (here, you don't even doubt KG's all-around skills), the community gains much. Another example: Must all the stories in Old wives' tale have citations? If it so, might as well delete the entire article (except about knuckle-cracking arthritis) and lose the potential knowledge we all could have reaped. --Aree 15:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I've made an attempt to incorporate the changes you wanted in a more comprising manner. Your choice of phrasing was too rigid, as if you were describing him in a video game; "hit the A button to make Garnett use his quickness to get near the basket, or press B to make him shoot a midrange jump shot to score points". As you indicated, it would be hard to find a citation that supports the case that Garnett is quicker than others, or that he has shooting range beyond that of most 7 footers. My solution was to avoid the strained logic of your phrasing, yet incorporate what you were trying to say. The Wiki is only a valid source of information and knowledge if it is not only accurate, but verifiable, thus any challenges as to its accuracy can be answered. I agree that plenty of articles make assertions to things that are not easy, or even impossible to verify, it just because they haven't yet been edited to follow the wiki guidlines. It doesn't give justification to ignore what the Wiki project is about. That's why it will always remain a work in progress. ---Jackel 17:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, never thought of it like that. That would be strained logic indeed. How bout, "Garnett's MAIN weapons are quickness and midrange jumper" (implying there are more weapons). Anyway, it's fun to see my so-called contributions garner your attention. Please let me point out that verifiability, though very important, does not precede everything else. Wikipedia:Five_pillars.

(2) "..means citing verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible" (not only if possible - so we may go out on a limb with common sense)

(5) "Wikipedia does not have firm rules. If the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore them.[1]

Thanks for compromising. It is always better to edit than to revert. --Aree 18:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Touche, and I'm glad you find my comprimise agreeable. ---Jackel 18:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

should there be sth in this article that talks about his 126m contract or his own line of shoes? Chensiyuan 03:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article needs massive, massive cleanup. Instead of listing every thing wrong with it I'll just point to Bill Russell, Kirk Hinrich, and Hakeem Olajuwon which are Good Articles about NBA players. Look at those articles and compare it to this one, that will serve as a starting point to anyone who wants to fix this article. Quadzilla99 05:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Expand it also include a history of his career as in Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon. Quadzilla99 17:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

He is really 7'1, though listed as 6'11, what is wrong with you people. Check your references and get it right!

i just noticed, his salary is posted up here?is this the confirmed amount. is he the only player on wikipedia with this information showing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.214.105 (talk) 06:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup Cont'd

I agree with the statement above because I was thinking about not letting people edit yet. We should make it go under construction once again.

Garnett Going To The Suns

I've just been told by a very very reliable and creditable source that Garnett is going to the Suns very soon. So be on the look out for that, and remember, you heard it here first.

they are saying that garnett will go to the suns Marion will go to the hawks and minnesota will get the hawks #3 and #11 picks but a deal has not yet been made

Your very very reliable and creditable source was not so reliable nor credible. Guess we heard it here last. Zachary 21:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Leothedry 06:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Garnett NBA Draft

I think its should be added that Garnett was forced to enter the NBA draft by his inability to score a 17 on the ACT. There was definative reason Garnett was drafted out of high school and his on court talent is not the only reason. see articles http://espn.go.com/ncb/s/2002/0228/1342892.html http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n3_v88/ai_17018371 http://archive.salon.com/people/feature/2000/02/12/garnett/print.html Johnny lunchpail 02:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Garnett's weight

Where did the 265 pound listing come from? Obviously that can't be right but I searched the internet and couldn't even find that listing. He is listed at 220, 240 and 253. 220 probably being the most accurate and 253 probably being the most common listing.

"Manse"

Any reason to mention how much his house cost? Is there any relevance to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinshane (talk • contribs) 01:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It is just information from the source. So why not? | 8-Hype (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The test for inclusion is actually rather different, although not necessarily so for the conclusion. Chensiyuan (talk) 02:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Garnett is captian since Augest 1st 2008

Kevin Garnett is captian since Augest 1st 2008，He was captain in Boston Celtics since he comed Boston, But a his season has late gotten to work. --Мэн-1 (talk) 20:00, 8 August 2008

This doesn't make any sense. How is he the aptain since August 1 if he was captain since he's come to Boston? Do you have a cite for this? And as far as I know, Paul Pierce is still the captain of the team. More importantly though, I am afraid your English is so poor that, while you are more than welcome to suggest changes, you should not be editing articles. --Mosmof (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

"Go go gadget arms"

Nicknames as notable, encyclopedic information is shaky enough, but what's with the "Go Go Gadget Arms"? A phrase used in one highlight does not a nickname make. As far as I can tell, it was just a cute description of Garnett's long arms, and it was playing off Gilbert Arenas' "Agent Zero" superhero nickname. Anyway, deciding that "Go Go Gadget Arms" is a nickname with enough currency to include in an encyclopedia article because you heard it mentioned on a highlight reel would be WP:OR. Could we, at the very least, get a reliable source explicitly saying "Go Go Gadget Arms" is Kevin Garnett's nickname? --Mosmof (talk) 01:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Only third player to...?

Did anyone catch Sean Grande and Cedric Maxwell's radio coverage of the Celtics-Thunder game in which Garnett became only one of three players to ever get a certain amount of points, rebounds, and steals? I unfortunately missed the actual stat, but heard Grande mention it several times leading up to the one steal that put him into this category... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.241.89 (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Team leader in 5 stats categories

I recently have added this achievements by Garnett, but somehow it got reverted. Does anyone think that this is notable enough?

• One of four players in NBA history to leads their team in all five major statistical categories (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals) in a season (2002-03).

Includes Dave Cowens (1977-78), Scottie Pippen (1994-95) and LeBron James (2008-09).

I think the article should mention this as very few players are able to achieve this. Martin tamb (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Error

Hey there is a major error, Garnett led the Timberwolves to the WCF, not Celtics

I don't know what User:Phoenix Linkin Park was trying to do, but I've reverted his edits. Zagalejo^^^ 07:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

The 20 PTS/10 REB/5 AST per game Club

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2010&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=10&c3stat=ast_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=5&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=player&order_by_asc=Y Hoops gza (talk) 00:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It's evident that Larry Bird leads all players in this field, with five such seasons (consecutive, no less).Hoops gza (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

"I'm On A Boat" Reference

Just wanted to say that Kevin is referenced in the Lonely Island song, "I'm On A Boat" " Gonna fly this boat to the moon somehow, like Kevin Garnett, anything is possible!" http://www.metrolyrics.com/im-on-a-boat-lyrics-the-lonely-island.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tacoking166 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Signs with Minnesota

This is the correct citation when KG has signed with Minnesota. Mccook Daily Magazine on 09/27/1997

Don't Make Stupid Revisions

Users like User:Dabomb87 and User:Hoops_gza need to learn some lessons - first, don't do blanket undo's unless it's absolutely necessary. It's lazy and unprofessional. Second, make as few revisions as possible (don't make a million different revisions in a row when you can do them all in two or three), and keep better records. I'm going to have to put back in all the 2009-2010 info manually, and that really annoys me. White whirlwind (talk) 04:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

A combative approach will not get you anywhere. Please see WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BRD—you were bold, I reverted, now let's discuss the edits in question. I will concede that I made a mistake in forgetting to restore your summary of the latest season; I thought I had reinstated that change after reverting, but obviously I had not, and have amended that. It still needs to be cited though. As for the other edits: the material about the Celtics' performance in the playoff series leading up to the Finals was not directly relevant to Garnett but to the Celtic team as a whole. Perhaps a sentence or two summarizing the first three series in the context of Garnett's performance would be helpful, but certainly not a whole paragraph. Your addition of "In 1997, Garnett was measured by Minnesota Timberwolves training staff to be 7 ft 1 in (2.16 m) tall while wearing basketball shoes, suggesting he had grown to the height of 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m)." was insufficiently cited (we need at least the name of the article). The additions to the personal life section were removed as unnecessary (see WP:BLP) and in the case of the mansion not cited to high-quality sources. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

1997 article now properly referenced.  White Whirlwind  咨  04:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Protection

The page has been vandalized quite regularly over the past few months.... I've added it to the Wikipedia:Requests for Page Protection list.  White Whirlwind  咨  04:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks like its protection has been extended, thanks to User:Tcncv for that. I want to give a shout-out to all the users who have undone and continue to undo vandalism on KG's article. The speed at which they get undone is quite impressive, really. The commitment to neutral POV and good scholarship is what makes Wikipedia one of humanity's great up-and-coming achievements.  White Whirlwind  咨  04:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

All Defensive First Team

He has now been in the All-Defensive First Team nine times (the page says 8). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.68.91 (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST: Personal

Please delete the current section adn replace it with this info that adds his daughter:
Garnett was called "The Franchise" as he was the Minnesota Timberwolves' franchise player from 1995-2007. Other nicknames include "The Big Ticket", "KG", and "Da Kid".

In July 2004 Garnett married his longtime girlfriend Brandi Padilla during a private ceremony in California. The wedding was the reason he did not take part in the Athens 2004 Olympic games. Garnett is a cousin to former Los Angeles Lakers player Shammond Williams,[1] and is the half brother of Louis McCullough, who played for the ABA's Syracuse Raging Bullz. Brandi's older sister Lisa is married to super producer Jimmy Jam. Their daughter Capri was born Friday 18 April 2008 [2] [3]

 Done. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 12:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 8 October 2011

please change photgraph. put one with the celtics home uniform and latest ANTA Shoes which he endorses.

202.164.37.66 (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Not done. We can't change the image unless there is a free one available. And even if such image exists, we do not post it for promotional purposes as this is an encyclopedia.—Chris!_c/t 22:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

No, we definitely can't put up an ANTA shoes picture. But we could easily change his main photo to a home uniform one, and I think that would be an improvement. I looked on Flickr for one and none jumped out at me. Anyone who can find an appropriate one, please go ahead and swap it in.  White Whirlwind  咨  00:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Kevin Garnett is the only Player in NBA history to be in the top 50 in total points, rebounds,assists, steals and blocks!

Hey person who made the Kevin Garnett page! I just like to add that Kevin Garnett is the only Player in NBA history to be in the top 50 in total points, rebounds,assists, steals and blocks. He is 15th in points, 10th in rebounding, 50th in assists, 16th in steals and 18th in blocks If you could please add that, I'm sure that Kevin Garnett would be grateful If you'd like you could verify this, see that you yourself wrote in the See Also section of the page: List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders List of National Basketball Association career rebounding leaders List of National Basketball Association career assists leaders List of National Basketball Association career steals leaders List of National Basketball Association career blocks leaders

please note that because Garnett is only 50th in assists and nearing retirement, he might be kicked off the list

Meowmeowmeow (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Meowmeowmeow Meowmeowmeow (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: for two reasons. First off, you can mash together the stats to make a sweeping positive (or negative) statement like this about pretty much any player that's ever picked up a sport. It doesn't really add any value to an article. Secondly, there would need to be a source directly backing that up - you're not just making a statement about Garnett here, you're also making a statement that no other player has ever accomplished the same thing. --ElHef (Meep?) 01:21, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Lynching?

Would it be worth adding just a bit more information about this part of the biography? Although one of the white boys suffered a fractured ankle in the fight [4], Garnett was charged with second-degree lynching. It brings up the seemingly inappropriate use of "South Carolina's Enduring Lynching Laws"[5] Joel S Bateman (talk) 01:54, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2015

Garnett is number 21 on the Minnesota Timberwolves 108.22.200.25 (talk) 13:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Nothing is official until tomorrow, July 9th. --Ahecht (TALK
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• Sakamoto, Bob. "Mr. Basketball of Illinois 1995 | Farragut's Kevin Garnett." Chicago Tribune. January 2, 2015 (post date).

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2017

This request is being made by Kevin himself through his assistant. For questions, please contact me. Under the heading "Early life and high school career" it says that Garnett's father was involved in his life. That is not true. Kevin has asked that this paragraph be changed to read:

Garnett was born on May 19, 1976, in Greenville, South Carolina, to Shirley Garnett. He was the second of his mother's three children.[5] Shirley raised Garnett and his two sisters alone. Garnett does not know his father, who was not involved in his life, and they do not maintain any relationship.[6] When Garnett was 12 years old, his mother married Garnett's stepfather and moved the family to Mauldin, South Carolina. Bobbyciatti (talk) 01:10, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bobbyciatti: I have made amendments per info at this ESPN ref. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 03:19, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Primary image of Garnett

It's incredibly strange to me that a player who played the majority of his career with the Minnesota Timberwolves and holds the franchise record for literally every major stat for that team has his Wikipedia page displaying a picture of when he played for the Boston Celtics. It really ought to be a picture from his days in Minnesota.

24.111.160.134 (talk) 21:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

That is currently the best image of Garnett on Wiki Commons. There are no equivalent Timberwolves images that are quite as suitable. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:11, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

No longer 3rd all time for all star appearances

Not sure how to edit, but LeBron just surpassed KG on the all time all-star game selection list. Moving KG to fourth. Dweston1987 (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 14:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Wrong information about leading in five major statistics

Third NBA player to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season: Minnesota Timberwolves, 2002–03 Also achieved by Dave Cowens (Boston Celtics, 1977–78), Scottie Pippen (Chicago Bulls, 1994–95), LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers, 2008–09), and Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks, 2016–17)

It's wrong. LeBron never achieved this, because Ilgauskas and Ben Wallace were leaders in blockshots in Cleveland in 2008-2009: 1.3 bpg. And LeBron had 1.1 bpg. See: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2009.html. So, only Cowens, Pippen, KG and Giannis achived this.

If you look a little closer at the stats, you can see very quickly that Lebron played more games than either Wallace or Ilgauskas and correspondingly had more blocks that season than either other player. Lebron did indeed accomplish the feat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:C00:7D50:CCF2:973D:E0A7:2103 (talk) 07:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

2001:56A:F604:6D00:2C99:9E25:FBF4:D139 (talk) 04:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC) No. 5 retired by the Boston Celtics

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 04:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2020

Change "He is one of four NBA players to win both the Most Valuable Player and the Defensive Player of the Year awards" to "He is one of five NBA players to win both the Most Valuable Player and the Defensive Player of the Year awards" (Giannis Antetokounmpo is the fifth).

}} Ciabaciaba (talk) 08:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Trash talk

Hello, the article doesn't mention Garnett's famous trash-talking incidents. Please add them. --179.26.46.113 (talk) 17:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2022

Above his drafting to the Minnesota Timberwolves, it states that he planned to attend the University of Maryland, however, the source quoted (source 17) actually says he planned to attend the University of Michigan. Please correct this so it is clear that Kevin Garnett intended to attend Michigan to play basketball, not Maryland. Zsessions1 (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Our article has it correct - source says "He told Student Sports Magazine in the fall of 1995 that, "Everybody had me going to Michigan for a long time. I led people on that I was going to UM. If I would have gone to college it was going to be Maryland. I was going to shock 'em all."" Cannolis (talk) 20:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Need Prominent Naismith HOF Mentions

There should be prominent mentions in both the Intro and Achievements sections of Garnett's induction into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, class of 2020. 2603:6080:E00:4F67:A993:1235:BA5:EB03 (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)