Talk:Kenworth 10-ton 6x6 heavy wrecking truck

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Written in US English with dd/mon/year date format in refs. Wheelbase in inches(m.00). I have been told that ft/in(m.0 or m.00) are easy to read. Weights are lb(kg) except for "ton" ratings, which are not converted. Sammy D III (talk) 03:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Sammy D III, could you please:

review my modifications to ensure that I haven't changed things incorrectly (I found the History section a bit unclear and awkward in sequencing).
confirm that the article title is correct. If the official name is "Heavy Wrecking Truck M1", and Kenworth produced 1/6th of them, why is the article named as it is?
list how many pounds the winch was - currently listed as "xxxlb"

Thanks, ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~

My grammar is terrible, you can only make it better.

I have no clue what to name this article, this isn't it. I tried to make a standard style at "Category:Military trucks of the United States[1], but this truck doesn't fit.

In WWII trucks were named by the manufacturer’s name and model, the "M" number refers to the body only. After WWII each truck with body had its own number. This truck had only one body, so the body is its only name, but I thought it gets mixed between WWII/post WWII "M" numbers.

I used "Kenworth" because people know it and might confuse "Ward LaFrance", an obscure truck and fire-fighting equipment builder, with "American LaFrance", the big and very well-known fire-fighting equipment builder. Tech Manual 9-2800-43 and 976 are KW, 2800-47 and 975 are W LaF.

In "model number" these trucks are M1, 6x6, heavy wrecker, (G116), 4th from top. Corbitt designed and built the prototype before 1940, that might be (G63)?

The rear winch capacity is 47,500 lb (21,500 kg). Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 02:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sammy D III,

Re wikiprojects, there should be no issue with adding the template for Milhist or any other relevant project in to the talk page. It's a way to attract the notice of those with interest and/or expertise in the area -- I've left the assessment of importance and quality blank for them, and that means it will show up on their list of articles to examine/assess. There might be another relevant project on the vehicle side that likewise would have no problem with you adding the WP in for their notice, but Milhist is particularly active.
Article names can be exact or descriptive, but using "Kenworth" (or for that matter even "Ward LaFrance") in the article title seems to be overly imprecise. One thing that might be done is naming it as its 1941-1945 official name, and describing the post-war namings briefly in the lede and in full in a section below. Where an article subject has multiple valid names, they can be also bolded -- I've done so for the listed official name.
I think another sentence could be added to the lead along the lines of "They were built by Kenworth and Ward LaFrance to a design by Corbitt." (did Corbitt design the 10 ton wrecker chassis, or was that the US Army Ordnance Corps? The infobox suggests the former, the History section suggests that it might have been the latter although Corbitt designed the base truck)
Winch capacity inserted in article.

^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 14:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In 1940-42 the Ordinance Corps set up requirements for tactical trucks in X-ton ratings. Manufacturers submitted prototypes, the Army looked, said "improve this", then selected which ones to build and gave contracts out. Same as today, but then they usually had the winning truck built by it's designer. (Several different models were selected in 21⁄2-ton). Easier to do in a hurry? Corbitt had been building HD trucks for the Army, and had a wrecker model. In 1940 it was improved and contracted as (G116). (EDIT: I am not finding how much of it Corbitt developed). Corbitt themselves had also designed the 6-ton, and spent all their efforts on it, So W LaF and KW got the contracts.

I have ownership problems and don't want to edit or give opinions, you can do whatever you want with no objections. Please ask about the trucks themselves, or what I have already written, you can see I like talking. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 15:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]