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A fact from Keine Kameraden appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 July 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1978, Keine Kameraden's findings – that 3.3 million Soviet prisoners of war died of ideologically motivated mistreatment – caused a sensation in Germany?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Keine Kameraden.

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 09:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Keine Kameraden (1978) on the Soviet prisoners of war was said to "necessitate revision ... to all previous books on the Russo-German war"? Source: https://doi.org/10.2307%2F2615767
- ALT1 ... that in 1978, the findings of Keine Kameraden that 3.3 million Soviet prisoners of war died of ideologically motivated mistreatment caused a sensation in Germany?
- ALT2 ... that more than thirty years later, the first major study on the 3.3 million Soviet prisoners of war who died in German custody of ideologically motivated mistreatment caused a sensation in Germany?

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sociedad Cosmopolita de Resistencia y Colocación de Obreros Panaderos
- Comment: Alternate suggestions welcome

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 21:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Keine Kameraden; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article has just been created and is long enough. There are no images. Text is clear, neutral, and cited to excellent sources (ref [2] Förster isn't correctly formatted, but not an issue here). On the hook, which is rather long, I'm not sure I can word one exactly; but Streit indicated that the mishandling of prisoners, and many deaths (half a million handed to the SS to be murdered) were deliberate, even genocidal (ref [3]): surely we can have a stronger and more pertinent hook which alludes to this. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review. Provided a few alts (t · c) buidhe 14:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Happy with Alt1, let's go with that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]